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Old 04-01-2011, 07:43 AM   #61
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Default Re: Top five centers in NBA history

Bill Russell

Wilt Chamberlain

Hakeem Olajuwon

Shaquille O'Neal

Moses Malone

Top 5.

And yes, KAJ not even top 10.
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Old 04-01-2011, 07:47 AM   #62
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lol at Olajuwon ahead of Russell and Wilt. When the Dream was playing, no one was saying he was the best center ever... No one... This Hakeem GOAT center thin is an internet forum thing.

Top 3 in no order (they belong to the NBA holy 6 - Jordan, Magic, Bird, plus them)

Kareem
Wilt All of them have solid cases to be considered best player ever
Russell

4. Shaq. Dominated the NBA. If he had a better work ethic, he could have been in the first group

5. Hakeem. How can he be any higher when he could not even make all NBA first team for several seasons in a row (1989-90, 90-91, 91-92 and 92-93) when in his prime. From 27 to 31 years old, he could not make it th the first team. And only made the second team in 1990 during that period.
From 27 to 31 years old, Shaq, Wilt and Kareem were all regulars in the first team. Russell was busy winning MVP's.
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Old 04-01-2011, 08:03 AM   #63
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^ You won't find Chuck Nevitt at a bar in Michigan, with the smoking ban, there is no room for the original human victory cigar.

Any list without Russell at #1 is severely flawed, any without him in the top three is embarrassing. It would be easy to understand if there was any case against him that made sense, but there isn't. The idea that he should have sacrificed his team winning to prove he could score more is literally the dumbest argument you can make.

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have to disagree

I'd say that Russel was the 2-3rd option on offense and didn't have the responsibilities that any of the guys on the list did .

Than you'd be wrong. The offense ran through Russell post-Cousy.

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Russel had high basketball iq....but he played with some of the great players of his generation and NEVER had to make the key offensive play in a clutch situation.

all of the other men listed had to..whether it was a shot or a key pass or an offensive board...

What about in game six of the 1962 Finals? Russell scored 30 points had 40 rebounds and an estimated 11 assists and 13 blocked shots...No key plays there?

Russell's team's went undefeated in game sevens, the Olympics and the NCAA tournament. He never lost a mutual do-or-die game, I'd go ahead and say he was pretty clutch.

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I think Russell did that once in the '62 season? Russell was different and harder for the average fan to understand his value.

If by once you mean several times, and every time he needed to, than yes, once.

1960 NBA Finals game seven: Russell 20 points by halftime, 22 (8-10 FT) 35 rebounds and as many as 11 blocks reported for the game. Celtics win in a route.

1961 NBA Finals game five: Russell goes for 30 points, outscoring both Hagan and Pettit who took five more shots each from the field, grabs 35 rebounds and racks up 8 blocks and "numerous steals" as it was reported. Celtics win third straight.

1963 NBA Finals Game Six, one assist shy of a quadruple-double.

1965 NBA Finals - Made 33 of 44 field goals in the five NBA Finals games.

1962 and '63 playoffs: (27 games combined) Russell averaged 22 points and over 5 assists per game while raising his regular season field goal and free throw percentages.

Those are only the most notable postseason examples.
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Old 04-01-2011, 08:17 AM   #64
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1-Wilt
2-Kareem
3-Shaq
4-Hakeem
5-D-Rob
That's all I came in here to see. I wanted to have just one poster throw David Robinson in there somewhere. I am pleased, even if in my unbiased heart I'm not sure I could support it.
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Old 04-01-2011, 08:18 AM   #65
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Moses malone > Bill Russell????

nah!
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Old 04-01-2011, 08:53 AM   #66
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The idea that he should have sacrificed his team winning to prove he could score more is literally the dumbest argument you can make.

Bill Russell: In order to win you have to get yourself past a lot of things that may not be vital to winning but make you feel good [...]. You have to forgo the pleasure of proving a point, because what somebody else wants you to prove may be inconsistent with the way you should play to win.
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Old 04-01-2011, 08:57 AM   #67
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BULLS would slap other poster's faces with those lists..


anyway, out of all positions, I think top Centers are probably the hardest to rank...
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Old 04-01-2011, 09:42 AM   #68
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1. Kareem

2. Shaq

3. Wilt

4. Russell

5. Hakeem
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Old 04-01-2011, 11:03 AM   #69
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KAJ. Nuff said.
Tim Duncan greatest team player of all time. Top three defensive players of all time. Great scorer and passer. Was stopped from winningat least two more rings by a team with two top ten players of all time.
SHAQ most dominant big ever. Patrolled the paint with force. A bit lazy at times. Let his ego get in the way at times.
Hakeem great, great footwork. Gambled a lot on D for blocks and steals.
DROB quick and strong. Great face up game perhaps the best big at tue face up game. Good shot. Supreme shot blocker who never made bad decisions in the paint unlike Hakeem. Lacked a mean streak which perhaps stopped him from being the greatest big ever. Put a young Hakeem's/KAJ mean streak in prime DROBs body and skill set. LoL the league would have been ****ed. Dude was impossible to stop.
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Old 04-01-2011, 01:12 PM   #70
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Unfortunately, that's the way most people on the internet think.

Superficial comparison. Rodman wasn't the best player on his teams, unlike Russell. Even talking about scoring, Rodman never had the big scoring games when his team needed it to win as Russell did, nor did he ever lead his team in scoring for a postseason, as Russell did on multiple occasions. And Rodman was great with Detroit, but after, he became obsessed with rebounds to the point of detriment of everything else.


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I think Russell did that once in the '62 season? Russell was different and harder for the average fan to understand his value.


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If by once you mean several times, and every time he needed to, than yes, once.

1960 NBA Finals game seven: Russell 20 points by halftime, 22 (8-10 FT) 35 rebounds and as many as 11 blocks reported for the game. Celtics win in a route.

1961 NBA Finals game five: Russell goes for 30 points, outscoring both Hagan and Pettit who took five more shots each from the field, grabs 35 rebounds and racks up 8 blocks and "numerous steals" as it was reported. Celtics win third straight.

1963 NBA Finals Game Six, one assist shy of a quadruple-double.

1965 NBA Finals - Made 33 of 44 field goals in the five NBA Finals games.

1962 and '63 playoffs: (27 games combined) Russell averaged 22 points and over 5 assists per game while raising his regular season field goal and free throw percentages.

Those are only the most notable postseason examples.

This is getting foggier. I am correcting the notion that Russell was the leading scorer for more than one postseason. We were not talking series here. Did Russell lead his team for an entire postseason other than '62?
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Old 04-01-2011, 02:23 PM   #71
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This is getting foggier. I am correcting the notion that Russell was the leading scorer for more than one postseason. We were not talking series here. Did Russell lead his team for an entire postseason other than '62?

No. He was probably thinkingof 1966 when Russ led the Celtics in scoring during the finals.Here's a better question, why under any circumstance is that a relevant point?

1960 - 2nd ppg, 2nd apg
1961 - 2nd ppg, 2nd apg
1963 - 3rd ppg 2nd apg (20-25-5)
1964 - 4th ppg, 2nd apg
1965 - 3rd ppg, 1st apg
1966 - 3rd ppg, 1st apg
1967 - 5th ppg, 1st apg
1968 - 4th ppg, 2nd apg
1969 - 7th ppg, 1st apg

(leading rebounder for Celtics every postseason by at least double)

Find one flaw with that...

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