2016 Finals Win Completely Discredits Warriors' *15 Title

[Da_Realist]

You can't use the Green suspension as an excuse. That was a result of his own actions.
Iggy got injured, but Kyrie also got injured the same game. He was clearly limited in the 2nd half of game 6. Also, if he didn't get injured, he may even score more in game 7. So, these 2 cancels out.
Bogut was playing 12 minutes a game and he was a huge negative on the court when he was playing. Still, that injury cancels out with Love's concussion. Love missed 1 game and the effect of the concussion was clearly visible for 2-3 games. When it finally went out, he beasted in game 7.
So the injuries canceled out at the end.

Bogut only playing 12 mpg doesn't take into account that his absence messed up GSW rotation. Plus he enabled them to play a certain way so they didn't overextend the small ball lineup. His absence limited GSW and forced them to play small ball more than they wanted to. Bogut only played half of game 5 and didn't play at all in games 6 and 7. It's unfair to say it wouldn't have mattered when Cleveland could have easily lost even under these circumstances.

[nba_55]

Bogut only playing 12 mpg doesn't take into account that his absence messed up GSW rotation. Plus he enabled them to play a certain way so they didn't overextend the small ball lineup. His absence limited GSW and forced them to play small ball more than they wanted to. Bogut only played half of game 5 and didn't play at all in games 6 and 7. It's unfair to say it wouldn't have mattered when Cleveland could have easily lost even under these circumstances.

You never know what could have happened with Bogut out there. Cavs may have played even better with him out there (the stats/facts actually support this theory more than yours), but still that injury cancels out with Love's concussion. Love missed 1 game because of it and he looked affected because of that the whole series except for game 7. Warriors suffered injuries, but Cavs also did. In 2015, that wasn't the case. Cavs missed 2 starting 5 players, Shumpert was injured also and Warriors had no one even injured.

[moongaze]

What did the analytics say about the possibility that Kevin Love would stay with Curry and force a huge miss that would seal the win in Game 7? Exactly. You can not predict how someone will impact a game. Bogut was injured and that hurt GSW regardless of what the numbers say. They named him a starter, after all. Some things can't be measured by numbers and then there is always the chance that someone will do something out of the norm. In most cases, it wouldn't matter but when two teams don't separate until the last minute of Game 7, everything matters.

Kevin love stayed with curry on ONE play. Does that mean he could have guarded curry for an entire quarter or game? No. I'm not sure how you can say that the bogut injury hurt golden state when stats for 5 games(plenty of time and evidence) shows that golden state was worse with him playing. Could he have made some nice plays , sure? Can Kevin love cause curry into a tough shot , sure? But can both players do so for an extended period of time? No. Statistics say otherwise and saying otherwise is without any basis.

Consider, also that the warriors made their comeback last year down 2-1 to the cavs AFTER benching bogut.

The warriors excuses are insignificant at best, especially compared to Clevelands in 2014-2015 finals

[moongaze]

Bogut only playing 12 mpg doesn't take into account that his absence messed up GSW rotation. Plus he enabled them to play a certain way so they didn't overextend the small ball lineup. His absence limited GSW and forced them to play small ball more than they wanted to. Bogut only played half of game 5 and didn't play at all in games 6 and 7. It's unfair to say it wouldn't have mattered when Cleveland could have easily lost even under these circumstances.

What part of golden state being outscored when bogut played don't you get? You keep talking about how much of a factor this guy was while disregarding the statistics that actually show his worth in the series. At some point you have to stop hanging on to this weak excuse of bogut missing two and a half games. The guy actually helped the cavs more than he helped his own team.

[AintNoSunshine]

The Cavs won in the last minute of the 7th game. It really could have gone either way. Steph could have easily made one three that would have sealed it. No one knew Harrison Barnes would miss every single wide open shot he took for the last three games. The Cavs couldn't have planned for that. Who knows what would have happened if Dray played in Game 5. That would have been the easiest game for them to win. They felt no pressure -- They were not going to leave Cleveland with a win and they had the weight of the world on their shoulders in Game 7. Neither team owns the other.

But it's hard to make a well guarded 3 if you are choking

[Da_Realist]

Kevin love stayed with curry on ONE play. Does that mean he could have guarded curry for an entire quarter or game? No. I'm not sure how you can say that the bogut injury hurt golden state when stats for 5 games(plenty of time and evidence) shows that golden state was worse with him playing. Could he have made some nice plays , sure? Can Kevin love cause curry into a tough shot , sure? But can both players do so for an extended period of time? No. Statistics say otherwise and saying otherwise is without any basis.

Consider, also that the warriors made their comeback last year down 2-1 to the cavs AFTER benching bogut.

The warriors excuses are insignificant at best, especially compared to Clevelands in 2014-2015 finals

That's the point. ONE play. That's all it would have taken to flip the series. Bogut or Dray or someone else could have made that ONE play to change the series had the circumstances been different. Dray could have made ONE play in game 5 to start a comeback run for GSW. It happens all the time. Bogut could have made ONE block or been just enough of a deterrent defensively to push GSW to a win in game 7. Cleveland won at the last minute over a shorthanded team the last 3 games. They may have won anyway or they could have lost. They could have lost game 7 anyway. Kyrie hit a big shot but Curry and Dray missed shots just like that beforehand. If they had knocked down ONE shot to send the crowd into a frenzy, they could have ridden the rest of the game on adrenaline and won that way. Draymond missed a wide open shot that he made all year long. Cleveland had nothing to do with him missing a wide open shot.

[Da_Realist]

What part of golden state being outscored when bogut played don't you get? You keep talking about how much of a factor this guy was while disregarding the statistics that actually show his worth in the series. At some point you have to stop hanging on to this weak excuse of bogut missing two and a half games. The guy actually helped the cavs more than he helped his own team.

You aren't getting it because you don't want to get it. In the grand scheme of things, Bogut is nothing. Not a star. Nothing. But he does mean something to GSW beyond what is measured in the boxscore. He could have played enough so that the change of pace small ball could have been more effective. Maybe he snatches a couple of rebounds. We are only talking a minute difference that could have flipped the series. Cleveland wasn't unbeatable with or without Bogut.

[moongaze]

That's the point. ONE play. That's all it would have taken to flip the series. Bogut or Dray or someone else could have made that ONE play to change the series had the circumstances been different. Dray could have made ONE play in game 5 to start a comeback run for GSW. It happens all the time. Bogut could have made ONE block or been just enough of a deterrent defensively to push GSW to a win in game 7. Cleveland won at the last minute over a shorthanded team the last 3 games. They may have won anyway or they could have lost. They could have lost game 7 anyway. Kyrie hit a big shot but Curry and Dray missed shots just like that beforehand. If they had knocked down ONE shot to send the crowd into a frenzy, they could have ridden the rest of the game on adrenaline and won that way. Draymond missed a wide open shot that he made all year long. Cleveland had nothing to do with him missing a wide open shot.

It's not about one play.its about the fact that for the 12 minutes he averaged,golden state was being outscored. So anything he would have done would have come in a losing fashion. Your argument is illogical and I think you know this. Lol at Cleveland playing a short handed team. The only player that missed significant time was bogut and he was a detriment to his team. How is this so hard for you to understand?

[clipps]

Injuries or not, the Warriors choked a 3-1 lead with HCA. And took them 6 games to beat the depleted Cavs last year.

[Da_Realist]

It's not about one play.its about the fact that for the 12 minutes he averaged,golden state was being outscored. So anything he would have done would have come in a losing fashion. Your argument is illogical and I think you know this. Lol at Cleveland playing a short handed team. The only player that missed significant time was bogut and he was a detriment to his team. How is this so hard for you to understand?

Cleveland did not stomp GSW by 15 points. They won almost on the last play of game 7. Therefore, the series could have been won by either team if only one or two things had changed. It was that close. Bogut doesn't need to be a huge factor for 12 mins a game. All he needed to do is be a difference on one or two plays and that would have been enough. Same with Dray. This is not hard to understand. You always want your team at full strength. When your 3rd best player is suspended for a game, and the series is won based on one shot, you realize that could have changed things. When a guy that has had some success defensively on Lebron gets hurt and clearly has some issues with his back, you realize that could have turned the tide. When you have a starter miss 2.5 games (all losses) then you realize he could have played a part in stemming the tide.

GSW led 3-1 when Bogut was available to play the whole game. How's the statistic? That's not to say Cleveland didn't deserve it and it doesn't mean they wouldn't have won anyway. But these things should be pointed out when you see that Cleveland outscored GSW by a grand total of 4 points over the course of the series. Cleveland was not unbeatable. They played inspired ball over the last 3 games, GSW had a couple of breaks go against them and Cleveland took advantage of them. GSW didn't field their full team since Game 4. If Cleveland had won in 5 or 6 games then it may not have mattered but since they won in the last minute of the last game, and they did most of their damage in the games where GSW were not playing at full strength, then it at least deserves to be mentioned if you are honest. It may not have made a difference but the series was so close we can't rule it out.

[moongaze]

Cleveland did not stomp GSW by 15 points. They won almost on the last play of game 7. Therefore, the series could have been won by either team if only one or two things had changed. It was that close. Bogut doesn't need to be a huge factor for 12 mins a game. All he needed to do is be a difference on one or two plays and that would have been enough. Same with Dray. This is not hard to understand. You always want your team at full strength. When your 3rd best player is suspended for a game, and the series is won based on one shot, you realize that could have changed things. When a guy that has had some success defensively on Lebron gets hurt and clearly has some issues with his back, you realize that could have turned the tide. When you have a starter miss 2.5 games (all losses) then you realize he could have played a part in stemming the tide.

GSW led 3-1 when Bogut was available to play the whole game. How's the statistic? That's not to say Cleveland didn't deserve it and it doesn't mean they wouldn't have won anyway. But these things should be pointed out when you see that Cleveland outscored GSW by a grand total of 4 points over the course of the series. Cleveland was not unbeatable. They played inspired ball over the last 3 games, GSW had a couple of breaks go against them and Cleveland took advantage of them. GSW didn't field their full team since Game 4. If Cleveland had won in 5 or 6 games then it may not have mattered but since they won in the last minute of the last game, and they did most of their damage in the games where GSW were not playing at full strength, then it at least deserves to be mentioned if you are honest. It may not have made a difference but the series was so close we can't rule it out.

At this point I'm just going to assume that you are mentally challenged.

[Da_Realist]

At this point iyn just going to assume that you are mentally challenged.

Childish response. Come on now. Agree or disagree but personal attacks reflect on your character not mine. If it made no sense, you wouldn't be so frustrated.

[Nilocon165]

At this point I'm just going to assume that you are mentally challenged.

[Da_Realist]

I've said all I can say anyway. I've been watching basketball since 1987 so I'm not stupid. I've seen how small changes make a big difference between two teams in a series more lopsided than the 2016 NBA Finals. No need to keep saying the same thing over and over anyway.

[tpols]

Da Realist .. you're arguing with dumb trolls for future ref bro