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    Default 2001 Lakers vs 1986 Celtics

    The team with the most dominant playoff run in NBA history or the loaded '86 Celtics. Who do you think would win in a series?

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    Is this a Joke?

    '86 Celtics all the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers
    Is this a Joke?

    '86 Celtics all the way.
    agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers
    Is this a Joke?

    '86 Celtics all the way.
    How is it a joke? The '01 Lakers featured a 15-1 playoff record, coached by Phil Jackson, had Shaq at his most dominant ever, and Kobe in his natural role as a 2nd option and simply crushed teams in the playoffs looking unbeatable. Or are you just saying that because they're not from the 1980's?

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    According to whatifsports.com the 2001 Los Angeles Lakers are capable of beating the 1986 Boston Celtics in a best of 7 series, but after watching the game on NBA TV ( Greatest Games) between the Chicago Bulls and Boston Celtics in the 1986 playoffs. I still think that the 1986 Celtics are a top 3 teams of all time because Jordan despite scoring 63 points in the playoffs his team got swept in the first round, and they also defeated the Houston Rockets ( Hakeem and Sampson) in the NBA Finals.
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    If the 1986 Lakers had not shriveled against Houston despite Sampson prayer being answered, they would've whupped the Celtics as they did 2 of 3 times they faced each other. The 01 Lakers would've beat the 86 green too!

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    Default Re: 2001 Lakers vs 1986 Celtics

    Quote Originally Posted by Lebron23
    I still think that the 1986 Celtics is a top 3 teams of all time because Jordan despite scoring 63 points in the playoffs his team got swept in the first round, and they also defeated the Houston Rockets ( Hakeem and Sampson) in the NBA Finals.
    No way, their not even the best Boston team, The 66-67 Sixers, 70-71 Bucks, 71-72 Lakers, the Bulls, were better all teams than the 86 Keltix edition

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    I got to go with the 2001 Lakers. That team was just on one when the playoffs hit. And Shaq come on nobody on that 86 Celtic team could of stopped Shaq in 01. I honestly think single player or team in any era could.

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    1986 Celtics all the way. 2001 Lakers were tough, but they do not belong on the list of the very greatest teams of all time due to several reasons:

    *Shaq's inferior free throw shooting made him a liability in the clutch.
    *The team's inability to play sustained defense
    *Overall lack of team speed cut down easy baskets

    I would rank the 1967 Sixers, 1996 Bulls, 1972 Lakers, 1992 Bulls, 1964 Celtics, 1984 Celtics and 1989 Detroit Pistons (in that order) ahead of the 2001 Lakers.

    I think the 84 Celtics were superior to the 86 edition is because the 84 team had 62 wins, which was 8 wins better than the 2nd best team (lakers). While the 86 Celts had 67 wins, it was only 5 better than the runner ups, and the 84 Celts had a better road record (29-12), and that spells a greater degree of dominance. The 84 Celtics beat a stronger team in the finals (Lakers instead of the 1986 Rockets).

    84 Celts had deeper bench (Cornbread Maxwell, Ainge, Wedman, Buckner all superior to Wedman, Walton, and Sichting). The chief's skills declined in 86 (stats went down), and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lax4422Chik1342
    If the 1986 Lakers had not shriveled against Houston despite Sampson prayer being answered, they would've whupped the Celtics as they did 2 of 3 times they faced each other. The 01 Lakers would've beat the 86 green too!

    What a dumb logic. Basically what you're saying is:

    "IF LAKERS DIDN'T UNDERPERFORM AND CHOKED AGAINST AN INFERIOR TEAM, they woulda destroyed the Celtics that beat that same team!!!"

    Well Magic would have no rings if the Cavs didn't somehow lose every May in the 80s! They woulda beaten the Lakers!

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    '86 Celtics with ease. You are talking about a team that doesn't choke. The Lakers won like 56 games that year and you expect them to beat the Celtics?


    Not to mention this

    http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/playoff...=Finalists1-10

    1. 1996 Chicago Bulls Score: 327.9
    KEY FACTS
    Regular-season record: 72-10
    Postseason record: 15-3
    Avg. scoring margin: +12.2
    Avg. scoring margin, playoffs: +10.6
    Finals result: Beat Seattle, 4-2 LEADERS (regular-season stats)
    Scoring: Michael Jordan, 30.4 ppg
    Rebounds: Dennis Rodman, 14.9 rpg
    Assists: Scottie Pippen, 5.9 apg
    Coach: Phil Jackson
    Finals MVP: Michael Jordan




    Hands down, the greatest team of all time. How can you choose another when these guys won 72 regular-season games and 14 of their first 15 in the postseason? The Bulls were so good they were first in both offensive and defensive efficiency, and outscored their opponents by 12.2 points per game.

    With names like Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, and Toni Kukoc, not to mention a coach like Phil Jackson, this team was pretty much unbeatable -- in fact, seven of its playoff wins were by 17 points or more. The only nit to pick was the Bulls' consecutive losses to the Sonics in the Finals, but they were up 3-0 by then and seemingly bored with how good they were.


    2. 1987 Los Angeles Lakers Score: 301.5
    KEY FACTS
    Regular-season record: 65-17
    Postseason record: 15-3
    Avg. scoring margin: +9.3
    Avg. scoring margin, playoffs: +11.4
    Finals result: Beat Boston, 4-2 LEADERS
    Scoring: Magic Johnson, 23.9 ppg
    Rebounds: A.C. Green, 7.9 rpg
    Assists: Magic Johnson, 12.4 apg
    Coach: Pat Riley
    Finals MVP: Magic Johnson




    Fittingly, the great Lakers and Celtics teams are in a virtual dead heat for second place. (You'll note that I just call the Lakers "Los Angeles" in this list -- no risk of confusing them with the Clippers here.) This L.A. team nudged ahead of Boston by virtue of winning 65 games in the regular season and then trashing the West -- 11 wins in 12 games -- to make the Finals. The Lakers beat the Celtics in six, and for the playoffs as a whole outscored their opponents by 205 points -- the best of any team on this list. Seven different players averaged double figures, led by Magic with 23.9 points per game.



    3. 1986 Boston Celtics Score: 301.1
    KEY FACTS
    Regular-season record: 67-15
    Postseason record: 15-3
    Avg. scoring margin: +9.4
    Avg. scoring margin, playoffs: +10.3
    Finals result: Beat Houston, 4-2 LEADERS
    Scoring: Larry Bird, 25.8 ppg
    Rebounds: Larry Bird, 9.8 rpg
    Assists: Larry Bird, 6.8 apg
    Coach: K.C. Jones
    Finals MVP: Larry Bird




    The Celtics won 67 games in '86 behind the best frontcourt ever assembled -- Bird, Kevin McHale, Robert Parish and Bill Walton -- and followed it up by stampeding through the playoffs in 15 games. They rank behind L.A. mostly because their victory margin wasn't as strong in the playoffs. On the other hand, this isn't a bad list to be No. 3 on. And few teams will ever have five players averaging at least 15 a game in the playoffs, as Boston's legendary quintet did in this postseason.



    4. 1991 Chicago Bulls Score: 294.5
    KEY FACTS
    Regular-season record: 61-21
    Postseason record: 15-2
    Avg. scoring margin: +9.1
    Avg. scoring margin, playoffs: +11.6
    Finals result: Beat Los Angeles, 4-1 LEADERS
    Scoring: Michael Jordan, 31.5 ppg
    Rebounds: Horace Grant, 8.4 rpg
    Assists: Scottie Pippen, 6.2 apg
    Coach: Phil Jackson
    Finals MVP: Michael Jordan




    The Bulls' first championship team "only" won 61 games, but had a very impressive victory margin (plus-9.1 per game, the sixth best on the list) and absolutely romped in the playoffs. Chicago's 15-2 mark in the postseason was amazing considering it knocked off a two-time champion in four games (Detroit) followed by a four-time champion in five (the Lakers). The Bulls' plus-11.6 playoff victory margin ranks second among the 60 teams. Only three players averaged double figures, but I guess that's not a problem when one of them scores 34.0 per game.





    5. 1997 Chicago Bulls Score: 287.1
    KEY FACTS
    Regular-season record: 69-13
    Postseason record: 15-4
    Avg. scoring margin: +10.8
    Avg. scoring margin, playoffs: +5.5
    Finals result: Beat Utah, 4-2 LEADERS
    Scoring: Michael Jordan, 29.6 ppg
    Rebounds: Dennis Rodman, 16.1 rpg
    Assists: Scottie Pippen, 5.7 apg
    Coach: Phil Jackson
    Finals MVP: Michael Jordan




    So much for championship hangovers. The '96 Bulls were the best ever, but their successors weren't exactly chopped liver. Chicago won 69 games -- which would have tied the record were it not for the 72 wins the previous season -- and the Bulls' plus-10.8 average victory margin was also second only to the '96 edition. Their longest losing streak was two games, for crying out loud. They weren't quite as strong in the playoffs, needing six tough games to outlast the Jazz in the Finals and dropping two other postseason games, but they were plenty good. Amazingly, Jordan and Pippen were the only Bulls to average more than eight points a game in the postseason -- but 11 guys saw regular action.





    6. 1985 Los Angeles Lakers Score: 280.3
    KEY FACTS
    Regular-season record: 62-20
    Postseason record: 15-4
    Avg. scoring margin: +7.4
    Avg. scoring margin, playoffs: +10.7
    Finals result: Beat Boston, 4-2 LEADERS
    Scoring: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, 22.0 ppg
    Rebounds: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, 7.9 rpg
    Assists: Magic Johnson, 12.6 apg
    Coach: Pat Riley
    Finals MVP: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar




    The Lakers were so good in '85 and '87 that it's hard to fathom how they lost in five games to Houston in the year between. This edition won 62 games, went on an 11-2 romp through the Western Conference playoffs, then slew the leprechauns by winning Game 6 in Boston Garden to claim the title.



    For the postseason, L.A.'s average scoring margin narrowly missed topping the list -- amazing considering the Lakers lost the "Boston Massacre" 148-114 in Game 1 of the Finals. But 10 of their 15 playoff wins came by 16 points or more -- including a win by 24 points or more in every round -- showing just how dominant these Lakers were.




    7. 1992 Chicago Bulls Score: 277.3
    KEY FACTS
    Regular-season record: 67-15
    Postseason record: 15-7
    Avg. scoring margin: +10.4
    Avg. scoring margin, playoffs: +6.2
    Finals result: Beat Portland, 4-2 LEADERS
    Scoring: Michael Jordan, 30.1 ppg
    Rebounds: Horace Grant, 10.0 rpg
    Assists: Scottie Pippen, 7.0 apg
    Coach: Phil Jackson
    Finals MVP: Michael Jordan





    These Bulls had a great regular-season run, winning 67 games and joining the '96 and '97 editions as the only teams on the list to have an average scoring margin of plus-10 or more in the regular season. The playoffs were a different story, however -- the Knicks nearly knocked them off in Round 2, and they lost by 26 at home to Cleveland in the conference finals before righting their ship and winning the title. Their seven postseason losses are the most of any team in the top 15. As with the '97 team, everyone got involved -- the Bulls used 11 players regularly and clinched the title in Game 6 against Portland when 12th man Bobby Hansen led a huge fourth-quarter rally.





    8. 1999 San Antonio Spurs Score: 268.2
    KEY FACTS
    Regular-season record: 37-13
    Postseason record: 15-2
    Avg. scoring margin: +8.1
    Avg. scoring margin, playoffs: +7.2
    Finals result: Beat New York, 4-1 LEADERS
    Scoring: Tim Duncan, 21.7 ppg
    Rebounds: Tim Duncan, 11.4 rpg
    Assists: Avery Johnson, 7.4 apg
    Coach: Gregg Popovich
    Finals MVP: Tim Duncan





    A forgotten great team because of the lockout, the Spurs began the year 6-8 … and then went 46-7 the rest of the way, with nary a losing streak. An awesome defensive squad led by big men David Robinson and Tim Duncan, San Antonio's 84.7 points allowed per game is far and away the least of any of these 60 squads. That 15-2 postseason mark ain't too shabby either, including sweeps of the Blazers and Lakers. So stingy was the defense that only twice in 17 playoff games did San Antonio's opponent muster 90 points.





    9. 1983 Philadelphia 76ers Score: 265.3
    KEY FACTS
    Regular-season record: 65-17
    Postseason record: 12-1
    Avg. scoring margin: +8.1
    Avg. scoring margin, playoffs: +7.2
    Finals result: Beat Los Angeles, 4-0 LEADERS
    Scoring: Moses Malone, 24.5 ppg
    Rebounds: Moses Malone, 15.3 rpg
    Assists: Maurice Cheeks, 6.9 apg
    Coach: Billy Cunningham
    Finals MVP: Moses Malone





    The famous "fo', fo', fo'" team of Moses Malone had one of the all-time great playoff runs, winning 12 times in 13 games to give both Moses and Dr. J their only NBA title rings. Malone's playoff numbers were freakish: 26.0 points, 15.8 boards and 54 percent shooting.



    The regular season wasn't too shabby either, with 65 wins, but Philly's victory margin in both the regular season and the playoffs wasn't quite on par with some of the other teams on this list, which is why the Sixers ended up a few spots lower than I suspect most folks would rank them.








    10. 1989 Detroit Pistons Score: 262.7
    KEY FACTS
    Regular-season record: 63-19
    Postseason record: 15-2
    Avg. scoring margin: +5.8
    Avg. scoring margin, playoffs: +7.7
    Finals result: Beat Los Angeles, 4-0 LEADERS
    Scoring: Adrian Dantley, 18.4 ppg
    Rebounds: Bill Laimbeer, 9.6 rpg
    Assists: Isiah Thomas, 8.7 apg
    Coach: Chuck Daly
    Finals MVP: Joe Dumars





    The Pistons' first championship team came with something of an asterisk, since all the Lakers' players got hurt in the Finals. Still, Detroit put together a 15-2 finishing kick to get the rings, and that came on the heels of a 63-win regular season -- six games better than any other team that season. The Pistons didn't have a 20-point scorer, but went nine deep and played great defense.

    Of the 30 championship teams, only six made it through the tournament with two losses or fewer, and only four did so while winning at least 15 games. Speaking of which …
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    The way the 01' Lakers played in the playoffs that year, they could be argued as the best team of all-time doing that stretch.

    Look what they did to the Spurs that year, their only lose in the NBA finals was in the overtime when Iverson had arguably the best game of his career...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~LA's fine$t~
    The way the 01' Lakers played in the playoffs that year, they could be argued as the best team of all-time doing that stretch.

    Look what they did to the Spurs that year, their only lose in the NBA finals was in the overtime when Iverson had arguably the best game of his career...
    That's because no team won 60 games that year, meaning no dominant teams only mediocore ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TmacsRockets
    That's because no team won 60 games that year, meaning no dominant teams only mediocore ones.
    So a team that wins 56 games is mediocre

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gotterdammerung
    1986 Celtics all the way. 2001 Lakers were tough, but they do not belong on the list of the very greatest teams of all time due to several reasons:

    *Shaq's inferior free throw shooting made him a liability in the clutch.
    *The team's inability to play sustained defense
    *Overall lack of team speed cut down easy baskets

    I would rank the 1967 Sixers, 1996 Bulls, 1972 Lakers, 1992 Bulls, 1964 Celtics, 1984 Celtics and 1989 Detroit Pistons (in that order) ahead of the 2001 Lakers.

    I think the 84 Celtics were superior to the 86 edition is because the 84 team had 62 wins, which was 8 wins better than the 2nd best team (lakers). While the 86 Celts had 67 wins, it was only 5 better than the runner ups, and the 84 Celts had a better road record (29-12), and that spells a greater degree of dominance. The 84 Celtics beat a stronger team in the finals (Lakers instead of the 1986 Rockets).

    84 Celts had deeper bench (Cornbread Maxwell, Ainge, Wedman, Buckner all superior to Wedman, Walton, and Sichting). The chief's skills declined in 86 (stats went down), and so on.
    I agree with you 100%, I don't understand all the love for the '86 Celtics when the '84 team was actually better. And you made a slight mistake Maxwell was the starter in '84 and McHale actually came off the bench.
    McHale, Ainge, Wedman, Buckner, Carr> Walton, Sichting, Wedman, Vincent, Kite

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