Gobert is the best center in the NBA now

[Xiao Yao You]

Looked like the best big man in the world when being defended by a 22 y.o Turner and a bunch of midgets under FIBA rules

Embiid outplays him H2H and Jokic did work on him too.

Not really. The first game against Philly Gobert certainly got the best of him. Philly won because they put Embiid on the 3 point line and got Rudy away from the rim.

Jokic got the best of him in at least one game and Gobert got the best of him in at least one. Won't be so easy this year because you will have to cover all 5 guys on the floor(unless Exum is in). No Bricky or Favors to leave open while you double Mitchell or sag on Gobert

[Xiao Yao You]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Bill Russell was like fourth in the NBA in assists at one point and was eventually the teams literal coach. Can

[ImKobe]

Not really. The first game against Philly Gobert certainly got the best of him. Philly won because they put Embiid on the 3 point line and got Rudy away from the rim.

Jokic got the best of him in at least one game and Gobert got the best of him in at least one. Won't be so easy this year because you will have to cover all 5 guys on the floor(unless Exum is in). No Bricky or Favors to leave open while you double Mitchell or sag on Gobert

Pretty sure that Embiid was the reason Philly won that first game if you're referring to last season, but I'm just responding to OP's stupid overreaction after one international game against a team with a weak frontcourt. We all agree that Gobert is a top 15-20 NBA player so beating the weakest version of Team USA doesn't automatically put him above Embiid and Jokic.

Rudy's the best defensive big man in the league but Embiid and Jokic have the full package on offense while Gobert's game is quite limited on that end.

[Xiao Yao You]

Pretty sure that Embiid was the reason Philly won that first game if you're referring to last season, but I'm just responding to OP's stupid overreaction after one international game against a team with a weak frontcourt. We all agree that Gobert is a top 15-20 NBA player so beating the weakest version of Team USA doesn't automatically put him above Embiid and Jokic.

Rudy's the best defensive big man in the league but Embiid and Jokic have the full package on offense while Gobert's game is quite limited on that end.

7-20 1-4 3pt 26 minutes played in game one probably because of the 4 fouls. They won because he drew Rudy away from the rim by standing at the 3 point line

Had a big game in the 2nd one as did Gobert

Jokic is limited defensively. There's two sides of the court

[Xiao Yao You]

Jazz took 3 of 4 from Denver.

Jokic missed a triple double in the first one because he shot poorly and turned the ball over(Gobert effect). Gobert was average 12/12. Denver won at home

Next game Jokic was great and Gobert not at his best from the field but got to the line(5 fouls on Jokic) 15/8/3 ass/3 blk. Jazz won at home

held Jokic down again from the field in the next one plus caused 5 turnovers by the big man. Rudy 16/8/4 blocks. Both were in foul trouble. Jazz won a mile high

Last game Jokic fouled out in 16 minutes with another bad night from the field. Rudy with 20/10 Jazz win again in Zion

If I remember correctly Jokic got ejected in one of them too? Based on those 4 games I imagine Gobert is the last guy he wants to face and one of the toughest matchups for Denver. Only gets tougher this year with a real team around Rudy

[Smoke117]

7-20 1-4 3pt 26 minutes played in game one probably because of the 4 fouls. They won because he drew Rudy away from the rim by standing at the 3 point line

Had a big game in the 2nd one as did Gobert

Jokic is limited defensively. There's two sides of the court

Jokic has a bigger overall impact, period. Joel Embiid has a bigger overall impact, period. Gobert is not the best center in the NBA, period. Some silly international game doesn't change anything.

[imdaman99]

Gobert has a great deal of impact for the Jazz but I'll take Jokic. Both of them take the game more seriously than Embiid though, who should be the best but I need him to prove it out there.

[fourkicks44]

Hmmm....

Embiid comparable offense to Jockic.

Embiid comparable defense to Gobert.

Jockic incomparable defense to Gobert.

Gobert incomparable offense to Jockic

[Xiao Yao You]

Embiid comparable durability to Yao Ming

[NuggetsFan]

Jokic is limited defensively. There's two sides of the court

He's not tho. Not anymore so than any C in this era. Gobert literally played 24 minutes in a playoff game because they kept making him switch. Just like they do to Jokic sometimes, and every other big men in the league. I've already posted Jokic's defensive stats which are all either 1st-3rd on the entire team and the Nuggets had a top 15 defense.

I just don't understand how you can say with a straight face that a guy that averaged 11/11 with 2.6 blocks is better than someone who just averaged 25/13/8 in the playoffs. Even in the regular season. Jokic is one of how many players in the entire league that can lead his team in 4 major stats? How many teams this year won 50+ games with 1 All-Star? Ignoring numbers Jokic is an elite passer, elite shooter for a big man, elite inside, elite handle for a big men, average defender, and very good on the glass. Gobert is better on the glass, better at dunking, better at setting screens. He's literally better at 3 things.

I really like Gobert as a player but he averages 12/10/1 with 2 blocks in 25 playoffs game. He's older and been in the league longer than Jokic as well

[NuggetsFan]

Hmmm....

Embiid comparable offense to Jockic.

Embiid comparable defense to Gobert.

Jockic incomparable defense to Gobert.

Gobert incomparable offense to Jockic

Your insane if you think there comparable offensively. Jokic will most likely go down as the greatest passing C in the history of the game. Jokic can do everything offensively which is why all of his offensive stats blown Gobert's out of the water.

Jokic's defense is really underrated. Nuggets had the 10th best defense I believe this year and that's with a ton of injuries.

Jokic's DRtg was 105, his DBPM, was 3.8, had 4.3 DW's. All near the top of his team, and not that far behind the other two. Jokic just can't block shots. He's a very intelligent player who knows positioning, has very quick hands which is why he led the Nuggets in steals, and has improved in alot of areas.

He wasn't the one getting yanked in a playoff game because he kept getting switched on a guard. Gobert played 24 minutes, and only 30 MPG in the playoffs for a reason

[fourkicks44]

He's not tho. Not anymore so than any C in this era. Gobert literally played 24 minutes in a playoff game because they kept making him switch. Just like they do to Jokic sometimes, and every other big men in the league. I've already posted Jokic's defensive stats which are all either 1st-3rd on the entire team and the Nuggets had a top 15 defense.

I just don't understand how you can say with a straight face that a guy that averaged 11/11 with 2.6 blocks is better than someone who just averaged 25/13/8 in the playoffs. Even in the regular season. Jokic is one of how many players in the entire league that can lead his team in 4 major stats? How many teams this year won 50+ games with 1 All-Star? Ignoring numbers Jokic is an elite passer, elite shooter for a big man, elite inside, elite handle for a big men, average defender, and very good on the glass. Gobert is better on the glass, better at dunking, better at setting screens. He's literally better at 3 things.

I really like Gobert as a player but he averages 12/10/1 with 2 blocks in 25 playoffs game. He's older and been in the league longer than Jokic as well

It's all about swithchablity, man. That is what is required to be an elite defender this day and age.

Gobert and Embiid a well more equipped and able than Jokic. It's just a fact.

[Xiao Yao You]

He's not tho. Not anymore so than any C in this era. Gobert literally played 24 minutes in a playoff game because they kept making him switch. Just like they do to Jokic sometimes, and every other big men in the league. I've already posted Jokic's defensive stats which are all either 1st-3rd on the entire team and the Nuggets had a top 15 defense.

I just don't understand how you can say with a straight face that a guy that averaged 11/11 with 2.6 blocks is better than someone who just averaged 25/13/8 in the playoffs. Even in the regular season. Jokic is one of how many players in the entire league that can lead his team in 4 major stats? How many teams this year won 50+ games with 1 All-Star? Ignoring numbers Jokic is an elite passer, elite shooter for a big man, elite inside, elite handle for a big men, average defender, and very good on the glass. Gobert is better on the glass, better at dunking, better at setting screens. He's literally better at 3 things.

I really like Gobert as a player but he averages 12/10/1 with 2 blocks in 25 playoffs game. He's older and been in the league longer than Jokic as well

Gobert sat because Favors was going good. He has no problem switching.

How many teams won 50 with no all-stars other than the Jazz?

Gobert is the best defender. In a select class of guys that won DPOTY 2 years in a row. The best finisher in the game. You do know that the dunk is still the most efficient shot in the game and Rudy set a new record for dunks? You do know he's the best at setting screens in the whole league? That is the Jazz offense just as running the offense through Jokic is Denver's. He's better at running the floor. He's more athletic. He won the head to head matchup clearly too.

Denver had a better team around Jokic. Gobert has taken a lottery team places.

[fourkicks44]

Your insane if you think there comparable offensively. Jokic will most likely go down as the greatest passing C in the history of the game. Jokic can do everything offensively which is why all of his offensive stats blown Gobert's out of the water.

Jokic's defense is really underrated. Nuggets had the 10th best defense I believe this year and that's with a ton of injuries.

Jokic's DRtg was 105, his DBPM, was 3.8, had 4.3 DW's. All near the top of his team, and not that far behind the other two. Jokic just can't block shots. He's a very intelligent player who knows positioning, has very quick hands which is why he led the Nuggets in steals, and has improved in alot of areas.

He wasn't the one getting yanked in a playoff game because he kept getting switched on a guard. Gobert played 24 minutes, and only 30 MPG in the playoffs for a reason

I am insane then.

[NuggetsFan]

Gobert sat because Favors was going good. He has no problem switching.

How many teams won 50 with no all-stars other than the Jazz?

Gobert is the best defender. In a select class of guys that won DPOTY 2 years in a row. The best finisher in the game. You do know that the dunk is still the most efficient shot in the game and Rudy set a new record for dunks? You do know he's the best at setting screens in the whole league? That is the Jazz offense just as running the offense through Jokic is Denver's. He's better at running the floor. He's more athletic. He won the head to head matchup clearly too.

Denver had a better team around Jokic. Gobert has taken a lottery team places.

Yeah but you can't always get a dunk which is why Gobert averaged 11 points in the playoffs this year and 12 for his career. It's why Jokic so was so successful in the playoffs. He's so versatile it's tough for teams to shut down. Denver has a better team around Jokic? I mean maybe. It's certainly debatable. Weird debate given Gobert played 24 minutes in Utah's only playoff win, and in the regular season Mitchell was there leading scorer by 8 whopping points while Jokic lead Denver in PPG/APG/RPG/SPG.

Jokic was first team All-NBA and 4th in MVP voting for a reason. Like do you actually think Gobert was as good/better than Jokic last year in the regular season/playoffs?