If Dirk could do it.....

[3ball]

If he could stomp Lebron so easily 2011, then why wouldn't Barkley and Malone have done the same thing with THEIR squads and even more so?

Barkley and Malone were like rich man's Dirk - better offensively, better rebounding, same (actually better) defense.

But more importantly, Lebron's Heat were garbage compared to the teams Barkley and Malone faced in the Western Conference:

Unlike the top-heavy talent of other eras that fostered less competition and more 'dominant' teams, the better balance of talent in the 90's had a cancelling effect out West, as Barkley and Malone had to go through at least 2 of these every season:

1) Hakeem/Drexler Champion Rockets
2) Duncan/Robinson/Povovich Spurs in 1998 (56 wins) and 1999 (Champs)
3) Shaq's 1997 and 1998 Lakers, his most talented ever (4 All-Stars in 1998)
4) 1995-1998 Sonics with Big 3 of Kemp/Payton/Schrempf


Shaq, Hakeem, and obviously Duncan would destroy Lebron's Heat, yet Malone beat every one on his way to the Finals in 1998.. Malone's Jazz had an unrelenting offense and a physical team, just the type that crushes Lebron's counter of playing it safe.

[Hit_Em]

That 2011 dallas team was the greatest 3 point shooting team ever @ that point.Not making any excuses for bron though he stood in the corner like a bitch and wet the bed.

PEJA and Kidd are both like top 5 in 3's made
Dirk is the best shooting 7 footer ever(Plus he had one of the most mind blowingly hot post seasons ever)
Deshawn Stevenson was on fire in the playoffs
Jason Terry was on fire in the playoffs
Caron Butler almost shooting 50% from 3 for most of that year(i know he didnt play in the post season just saying)
Barea was on fire from mid range that year

+ That was the worst heat team out of their run.
+ Joel Anthony/mike bibby started on that team

[Im Still Ballin]

[qrich]

Because Dirk >>

[tpols]

Because Dirk was more clutch than Charles and especially Karl ever were.

Dirk is a taller more lethal scoring version of larry bird minus the GOAT playmaking ability but still a very smart passer with terrific decision making. Dirk is a takeover player. Malone scores in a simnilar manner to Lebron but even more in the flow.. where as bron can occasionally be clutch karl malone is never clutch.. as it goes the mailman doesnt deliver on sunday.. or when it comes to clutch play any day for that matter.

Charles case is a little different.. he could be clutch, but was a terrible leader and had awful longevity where as dirk has terrific longevity and leadership.. and blends seamlessly into teams in old age while chuck tries to form a super team and gets blown up put on blast for his poor veteran presence.


Dirk > both

[DonDadda59]

Because Dirk was more clutch than Charles and especially Karl ever were.

Dirk is a taller more lethal scoring version of larry bird minus the GOAT playmaking ability but still a very smart passer with terrific decision making. Dirk is a takeover player. Malone scores in a simnilar manner to Lebron but even more in the flow.. where as bron can occasionally be clutch karl malone is never clutch.. as it goes the mailman doesnt deliver on sunday.. or when it comes to clutch play any day for that matter.

Charles case is a little different.. he could be clutch, but was a terrible leader and had awful longevity where as dirk has terrific longevity and leadership.. and blends seamlessly into teams in old age while chuck tries to form a super team and gets blown up put on blast for his poor veteran presence.


Dirk > both

Let me start off by saying that this thread is utterly pointless. Don't think I've ever seen anyone argue that Barkley's Philly or Phoenix squads/Malone's Jazz couldn't beat the extremely flawed Bron Heat team from 2011.

But the above quoted is pure nonsense. Before 2011 Dirk was known as a world class choke artist. His MVP season and the debacle in the first round cemented that in a lot of people's minds.

The only difference between his 1 ring and Barkley/Malone's 0 was that Dirk faced a flopping mental midget while the others faced the GOAT.

[Im Still Ballin]

Let me start off by saying that this thread is utterly pointless. Don't think I've ever seen anyone argue that Barkley's Philly or Phoenix squads/Malone's Jazz couldn't beat the extremely flawed Bron Heat team from 2011.

But the above quoted is pure nonsense. Before 2011 Dirk was known as a world class choke artist. His MVP season and the debacle in the first round cemented that in a lot of people's minds.

The only difference between his 1 ring and Barkley/Malone's 0 was that Dirk faced a flopping mental midget while the others faced the GOAT.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Dirk's seriously getting underrated.

one of the best ever clutch players

[DonDadda59]

If Bron spent more time playing actual basketball and not flopping/getting treated like a petulant child at a supermarket by Wade, then Dirk would be ringless like Barkley/Malone.

In the game Bron infamously had 8 points, Dallas only won by 3 points. If LeFlop had been able to outscore Jason Terry in that series, Dirk retires ringless.

[3ball]

Let me start off by saying that this thread is utterly pointless. Don't think I've ever seen anyone argue that Barkley's Philly or Phoenix squads/Malone's Jazz couldn't beat the extremely flawed Bron Heat team from 2011.

But the above quoted is pure nonsense. Before 2011 Dirk was known as a world class choke artist. His MVP season and the debacle in the first round cemented that in a lot of people's minds.

The only difference between his 1 ring and Barkley/Malone's 0 was that Dirk faced a flopping mental midget while the others faced the GOAT.

All true - nonetheless, the stats prove that previous era bigs would score easier on the post than today's bigs:

The top 5 big men in post efficiency (points-per-possession, PPP) are Jonas Valcunious, Kevin Love, Donatas Montejunas, Lamarcus Aldridge, and Marc Gasol.

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/pos...gular%20Season

These guys all achieve the standard for elite efficiency of 1.00 PPP, despite having weak post games - this shows how much easier it is on the post - the spaced-out defenders and open paint of today's game are having a big effect.

Furthermore, all the bigs below from 1996 were better post scorers than today's top 5, so they'd ALSO be getting elite post PPP - and clearly, today's top 5 wouldn't even be in the top 10 if these guys were playing:

Hakeem
Shaq
Robinson
Ewing
Alonzo
Sabonis
Karl Malone
Barkley
Webber
Kemp

And probably Rik Smits, Vin Baker, Dino Radja, and certainly Derrick Coleman.

The league changed the rules in 2005 to increase the percentages on ball movement and dribble penetration, which have surpassed post-ups in some spots.. But the elite percentages of today's weak top 5 is proof that the percentages on post-ups themselves hasn't diminished at all - infact, they've probably increased, along with everything else.
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[Im Still Ballin]

All true - nonetheless, the stats do indeed prove that previous era bigs would score easier on the post than today's bigs:

The top 5 big men in post efficiency (points-per-possession, PPP) are Jonas Valcunious, Kevin Love, Donatas Montejunas, Lamarcus Aldridge, and Marc Gasol.

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/pos...gular%20Season

These guys all achieve the standard for elite efficiency of 1.00 PPP - this shows how much easier it is on the post because these guys aren't even skilled in the post, yet they still achieve elite post efficiency.. Weak post players achieving elite efficiency is clear statistical proof that it's easier than ever to score on the post - the spaced-out defenders and open paint of today's game are having a big effect.

Furthermore, all the bigs below from 1996 were better post scorers than today's top 5, so they'd ALSO be getting elite post PPP - and clearly, today's top 5 wouldn't even be in the top 10 if these guys were playing:

Hakeem
Shaq
Robinson
Ewing
Alonzo
Sabonis
Karl Malone
Barkley
Webber
Kemp

And probably Rik Smits, Vin Baker, Dino Radja, and certainly Derrick Coleman.

The league changed the rules in 2005 to increase the percentages on ball movement and dribble penetration, which have surpassed post-ups in some spots.. But the elite percentages of today's weak top 5 is proof that the percentages on post-ups themselves hasn't diminished at all - infact, they've probably increased, along with everything else.
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[StephHamann]

If he could stomp Lebron so easily 2011, then why wouldn't Barkley and Malone have done the same thing with THEIR squads and even more so?

Barkley and Malone were like rich man's Dirk - better offensively, better rebounding, same (actually better) defense.

[3ball]

Dirk's seriously getting underrated.

You know what's getting overlooked?

Malone beat Shaq, Duncan/Robinson, and Hakeem to make the 1998 Finals.. ALL those teams beat Lebron's Heat.

Does anyone really think Lebron's Heat stand a chance against a dominant big man like Shaq with their non-existent front line or rebounding?

[Giaodollo]

If Bron spent more time playing actual basketball and not flopping/getting treated like a petulant child at a supermarket by Wade, then Dirk would be ringless like Barkley/Malone.

In the game Bron infamously had 8 points, Dallas only won by 3 points. If LeFlop had been able to outscore Jason Terry in that series, Dirk retires ringless.

Dallas played great defense, LeBron didn't choke he was shut down. As easy as that.

[Jameerthefear]

You know what's getting overlooked?

Malone beat Shaq, Duncan/Robinson, and Hakeem to make the 1998 Finals.. ALL those teams beat Lebron's Heat.

Does anyone really think Lebron's Heat stand a chance against a dominant big man like Shaq with their non-existent front line or rebounding?

why do u think this? do u think trolling on the web is funny
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