How many FMVP's were givin the award based on their defense?

[WorldWarriors]

3ball always finds a way to insert MJ into the discussion. Much like loseruss with wilt.

LOL I have never seen anything like it.

[cltcfn2924]

Wilt averaged 127.6 ppg in the 1962 NBA Finals but Russell won the chip and FMVP

That's strange since the award was never given until 1969.

[Hittin_Shots]

LOL I have never seen anything like it.

It's ridiculous cz I think the original statement is good information, but then he makes you want to punch him by having to mention MJ in every post.

[SouBeachTalents]

That's strange since the award was never given until 1969.

You found that strange, but not the part about Wilt averaging 127 ppg?

[3ball]

it's not complicated, and 100% factual

lebron's isolates more than anything else he does, so his isolation fg% was the biggest factor driving his overall fg%.

unfortunately, lebron is a horrible isolation player and shoots 33% on isolations - again, this was the biggest factor driving his overall fg%..

since isolation ability was the biggest factor driving lebron's overall fg%, we know MJ's vastly superior isolation ability would've had a much more positive effect on his overall fg%.

[Hittin_Shots]

it's not complicated, and 100% factual

lebron's isolates more than anything else he does, so his isolation fg% was the biggest factor driving his overall fg%.

unfortunately, lebron is a horrible isolation player and shoots 33% on isolations - again, this was the biggest factor driving his overall fg%..

since isolation ability was the biggest factor driving lebron's overall fg%, we know MJ's vastly superior isolation ability would've had a much more positive effect on his overall fg%.

Can you not see that there is entirely no reason for the paragraph about MJ... You aren't required to justify MJs ability in every post you make..

[pauk]

Based on only their defense?

None.

Based on mostly their defense / closest one to the above question?

Bill Russell.

Based on partly their defense?

Bill Russell
Jerry West
Willis Reed
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
John Havlicek
Bill Walton
Dennis Johnson
Moses Malone
Joe Dumars
Michael Jordan
Hakeem Olajuwon
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Kawhi Leonard
Andre Iguodala

[SpanishACB]

they're basically making up for the Kobe/Gasol fiasco.

Now it actually goes to be player that has most impact in the finals, and not the one who takes more shots.

[GimmeThat]

Based on only their defense?

None.

Based on mostly their defense / closest one to the above question?

Bill Russell.

Based on partly their defense?

Bill Russell
Jerry West
Willis Reed
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
John Havlicek
Bill Walton
Dennis Johnson
Moses Malone
Joe Dumars
Michael Jordan
Hakeem Olajuwon
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Kawhi Leonard
Andre Iguodala

summarization.

you can't win the award being a strictly defensive player, without also being a genius on the offensive end.

now go define what limited offensive ability means

[SHAQisGOAT]

Based on only their defense?

None.

Based on mostly their defense / closest one to the above question?

Bill Russell.

Based on partly their defense?

Bill Russell
Jerry West
Willis Reed
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
John Havlicek
Bill Walton
Dennis Johnson
Moses Malone
Joe Dumars
Michael Jordan
Hakeem Olajuwon
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Kawhi Leonard
Andre Iguodala

Just so you know, Bill Russell averaged 16.6/24.6/4.5 for ALL of his Finals combined, that's 12 series, would've won FMVP in like 7 of them...
Tremendous defense always, as well known, but also great all-around play.

If anything "based on mostly their defense / closest one to the above question" would be Wes Unseld in '78 (mostly m2m D)... While he still had a great Finals in terms of rebounding and passing. And, still, the true FMVP was Elvin Hayes, much better than Unseld in terms of scoring, played better defense, even rebounded at the same rate...

And what does it mean based partly on their defense? Only those guys? Every player that has ever won FMVP and played at least solid defense ofc won it partly for their D.

Shit, you got those guys there but...

Where the **** is Shaq? Dude was making all-defensive teams around the time he won his FMVP's, playing very good D as the anchoring center, averaging around 3 BPG's in those Finals...

Where the **** is Bird? Made all-defensive in '84 (and should've had plenty more in his career tbh), had the best DRtg in the '86 Finals, led Boston in DWS for the '84 and '86 Playoffs, very good defensive impact during those days, team was much better defensively with him on the floor, their best team defender. Led the league in DWS in '84 and '86, 2nd and 4th in DRtg respectively.

Prime D-Wade played some very good defense... Where's Billups for that matter?



Again...

Some players won FMVP playing great defense while not even being their team's (clear-cut) #1 option, for those Finals at least... Also playing great all-around though, let's not neglect that...

Wilt
Walton
DJ
Kawhi
Iggy
Unseld (Hayes should've gotten it though)

Russell would've won a lot on those "basis", if it was awarded back then.

[GimmeThat]

Just so you know, Bill Russell averaged 16.6/24.6/4.5 for ALL of his Finals combined, that's 12 series, would've won FMVP in like 7 of them...
Tremendous defense always, as well known, but also great all-around play.

If anything "based on mostly their defense / closest one to the above question" would be Wes Unseld in '78 (mostly m2m D)... While he still had a great Finals in terms of rebounding and passing. And, still, the true FMVP was Elvin Hayes, much better than Unseld in terms of scoring, played better defense, even rebounded at the same rate...

And what does it mean based partly on their defense? Only those guys? Every player that has ever won FMVP and played at least solid defense ofc won it partly for their D.

Shit, you got those guys there but...

Where the **** is Shaq? Dude was making all-defensive teams around the time he won his FMVP's, playing very good D as the anchoring center, averaging around 3 BPG's in those Finals...

Where the **** is Bird? Made all-defensive in '84 (and should've had plenty more in his career tbh), had the best DRtg in the '86 Finals, led Boston in DWS for the '84 and '86 Playoffs, very good defensive impact during those days, team was much better defensively with him on the floor, their best team defender. Led the league in DWS in '84 and '86, 2nd and 4th in DRtg respectively.

Prime D-Wade played some very good defense... Where's Billups for that matter?



Again...

And if we were to have an open discussion about why Wilt the Great actually won 2 championships. I think the term that boils down to it, is no longer "playoff" but "final"

Conventional wisdom says that even if you ARE in the playoff, you ought to play every game as if it is the last game of your season, because if you lose, then your season is over. But do teams/players truly tone out the reality that other teams and players continue to move forward, regardless of your own fairy tale story?

the finals, where, there will be no games played after this one. And to be the most valuable at that.


my question is really that, how could a team actually go 72-10 in the regular season.

[TheMan]

3ball always finds a way to insert MJ into the discussion. Much like loseruss with wilt.

This, I'm a MJ fan and I cringe whenever 3ball mentions MJ when the thread doesn't have anything to do with him. Reeks of insecurity even though everyone know MJ > LBJ

[WorldWarriors]

Iggy won not only because of his defense, he won it because he came off the bench and changed the entire tone of the series. He not only defended Lebron but he was able to make the plays the other players couldn't when Curry was double teamed.

[SpecialQue]

3ball always finds a way to insert MJ into the discussion. Much like loseruss with wilt.

3ball is much, much worse than Lazeruss, as I've seen Lazeruss post about other players, like Magic, without once having to bring up Wilt. I'm not going to comb through every post this idiot has made, but there's probably no more than a couple of 3ball posts that don't somehow cram MJ in.

[3ball]

Can you not see that there is entirely no reason for the paragraph about MJ...

MJ is relevant because the skill he's best known for - isolation ability - was the biggest factor driving down Lebron's overall fg% in these playoffs..

The fact that iso ability was the biggest factor holding back Lebron's FG% gives us proof that MJ would've shot much better in these playoffs, since his iso ability was goat..

If something ELSE had held Lebron's FG% back, then MJ wouldn't be relevant.. But it was iso ability, which was MJ's strongest area and something he was the very best at.
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