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    A player averages over 50 point per game and doesn't win the MVP award and the MVP doesn't even make it to the all NBA first team?

    Tough era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
    Even adjusted for pace Wilt still averages peak Shaq/Kareem numbers
    But can you adjust the hight and lack of athleticism of these midgets back then to todays players?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gileraracer
    But can you adjust the hight and lack of athleticism of these midgets back then to todays players?
    Russell was one of the shorter starting centers of the 60's...and was the same exact height as Cousins, Jordan, Drummond, and Dwight. Oh, and tell me how many of today's centers are world-ranked in the high jump.

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    Default Re: PROOF why Wilt was overrated.

    the funniest part is that even when they adjust stats, Wilt takes 10-20 more FGA than modern players. So 60's Curry could score 70 with those FGA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpanishACB
    the funniest part is that even when they adjust stats, Wilt takes 10-20 more FGA than modern players. So 60's Curry could score 70 with those FGA.

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    Not without a 3pt line. In fact, if he would miss a couple of 25+ foot shots in a row, he would have been benched the rest of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAZERUSS
    Russell was one of the shorter starting centers of the 60's...and was the same exact height as Cousins, Jordan, Drummond, and Dwight. Oh, and tell me how many of today's centers are world-ranked in the high jump.
    Was a weak era for high jump tbh

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpaceJam
    Was a weak era for high jump tbh
    Cousins has a 28" vertical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAZERUSS
    Not without a 3pt line. In fact, if he would miss a couple of 25+ foot shots in a row, he would have been benched the rest of the game.
    People don't seem to grasp that in the 60's there was no 3 pointer and that, without it, current Curry is merely a 25 ppg scorer and last season's MVP Curry is barely above 20 ppg.
    Oh, and that, with 60's medicine and athletiatrics (plus fewer rounds), it wouldn't be "Curry out for 2 weeks", it would be "Curry out for the rest of the season".

    Btw, Wilt's adjusted FGA's wouldn't be anywhere near 10-20 FGA's more than today's stars. Are you kidding me, this isn't even the case if you don't adjust them at all.

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    The bigger issue is that they still called palming well into the 70s. Players like Curry or Kyrie Irving would have to completely relearn their game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pudman13
    The bigger issue is that they still called palming well into the 70s. Players like Curry or Kyrie Irving would have to completely relearn their game.
    No crab dribble?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OmniStrife
    Damn watching the footage is all the evidence I need for seeing what an absolute trash can the NBA was back then compared to today.
    They were among the best athletes in the world. 50 ppg isn't enough for some people, they expect Wilt to time travel to modern times and play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psileas
    Op, it's not our fault that you and your fellow bullshitters either suffer from Alzheimer's or are too retarded to have realized that all this crap has been destroyed ad nauseam.



    And this doesn't even take into account fatigue (48 mpg=zero rest during games, plus, not 164 timeouts available back then, unlike today's *******, who can't even play 6 minutes in a row without a freakin' timeout being called or a period ending ) or the absolute trash that call themselves centers today.
    LOL, Wilt was shitting on 80's centers in his mid 40's in strong pickup games, what he'd be doing in today's weak league, especially with today's technology, is unfathomable.
    It's too bad that Kiki Vandeweghe's interview on YouTube has since been deleted...

    (Wilt's Revenge)...

    http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...23&postcount=1

    But for those that never had the opportunity to view it, Kiki claims that he witnessed a summer league pickup game in the mid-80's, which featured Mark Eaton and Wilt. At one point one of the players dunked on Chamberlain, and the many fans erupted. On the next play, the ball went into Wilt, who just overpowered a helpless Eaton, and threw down a thunderous dunk on him. The entire crowd was stunned...and Wilt proceeded to walk out of the gym.

    Of course, there were other Wilt sightings in the 80's, as well, including none other than Larry Brown...

    http://articles.latimes.com/1999/oct/13/sports/sp-21887

    Of all his memories of Wilt Chamberlain, the one that stood out for Larry Brown happened long after Chamberlain's professional career had ended.

    On a summer day in the early 1980s, when Brown was coaching at UCLA, Chamberlain showed up at Pauley Pavilion to take part in one of the high-octane pickup games that the arena attracted.

    "Magic Johnson used to run the games," Brown recalled Tuesday after hearing that Chamberlain, his friend, had died at 63, "and he called a couple of chintzy fouls and a goaltending on Wilt.

    "So Wilt said: 'There will be no more layups in this gym,' and he blocked every shot after that. That's the truth, I saw it. He didn't let one [of Johnson's] shots get to the rim."

    Chamberlain would have been in his mid-40s at the time, and he remained in top physical shape until recently.
    Here is footage of a 36 year old Wilt going up against Artis Gilmore in the '72 NBA-ABA ASG...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1utx7OxiaoU


    How about Wilt, in his LAST season, and playing against the elite centers of the NBA...

    Continued...

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    Continued...

    Chamberlain, at age 36, and in his LAST season vs the best centers in the league:


    Vs. Cowens in 4 H2H's:

    Cowens: 31.3 ppg, 19.8 rpg, .454 FG%

    Wilt: 14.3 ppg, 14.5 rpg, .588 FG%



    vs. Reed in 3 regular season H2H's:

    Reed: 12.0 ppg, 10.0 rpg, .471 FG%

    Wilt: 6.3 ppg, 23.3 rpg, .529 FG%

    vs. Reed in 5 Finals' H2H's:

    Reed: 16.4 ppg, 9.2 rpg, .493 FG%

    Wilt: 11.6 ppg, 18.6 rpg, .525 FG%


    vs. Bellamy in 4 H2H's:

    Bellamy: 17.0 ppg, 18.0 rpg ( 2 known games), .400 FG% (2 known game)

    Wilt: 9.8 ppg, 20.5 rpg, .593 FG%


    vs. Unseld in 4 H2H's:

    Unseld: 12.8 ppg, 15.3 rpg, .481 FG%

    Wilt: 12.8 ppg, 20.8 rpg, .769 FG%


    vs. McAdoo in 4 H2H's:

    McAdoo: 16.8 ppg, 8.8 rpg, .450 FG% (3 known games)

    Wilt: 20.5 ppg, 21.3 rpg, .850 FG%


    vs. Thurmond in 7 regular season H2H's:

    Thurmond: 12.3 ppg, 21.6 rpg, .315 FG%

    Wilt: 5.1 ppg, 16.6 rpg, .684 FG%

    vs. Thurmond in 5 playoff H2H's:

    Thurmond: 15.8 ppg, 17.2 rpg, .373 FG%

    Wilt: 7.0 ppg, 23.6 rpg, .611 FG%


    vs. Lanier in 6 H2H's:

    Lanier: 21.2 ppg, 13.4 rpg (5 known games), .374 FG% (5 known games)

    Wilt: 19.8 ppg, 16.3 rpg, .764 FG%



    vs. Kareem in 6 H2H's:

    Kareem: 29.5 ppg, 17.8 rpg, .450 FG%

    Wilt: 11.0 ppg, 16.0 rpg, .737 FG%



    Some interesting numbers. Cowens certainly outplayed Wilt, albeit, in his one known game, he still only shot .429 from the field.

    As ALWAYS, Chamberlain reduced Thurmond to just AWFUL FG%'s (in the two known games in the regular season, Nate shot 3-9 and 2-14...and then in his five playoff H2H's, he only shot .373 overall.) And while Nate outrebounded Wilt in their regular season H2H's, as ALWAYS, Chamberlain just cleaned his clock on the glass in their playoff H2H's.

    Willis Reed didn't do much of anything against Wilt in their regular season H2H's, and while he won the FMVP, SOMEBODY had to win it. If anything, Chamberlain outplayed him (again) in their Finals matchup (and in the clinching game, he badly outplayed him.)

    Bellamy? I doubt that there has ever been one HOFer who so thoroughly dominated another over the course of so many seasons. Even into his LAST season, Chamberlain continued to own Bellamy. And this likely was one of Bellamy's closest seasons against Wilt.

    How about rookie Bob McAdoo? Talk about pure domination...Wilt SLAUGHTERED McAdoo in every conceivable facet of the game. He easily outscored him, badly outrebounded him, and shot an unfathomable .850 from the field (again, all while averaging 20.5 ppg against him.)

    Bob Lanier? Wilt more than held his own a PRIME Lanier. In fact, he easily outplayed him overall. And look at their FG%'s. In his three known games, Lanier shot a paltry .400 from the field, while Wilt not only averaged 20 ppg against him, he also shot a staggering .764 from the floor. And BTW, in Lanier's highest scoring game against Wilt, he only shot 13-30 from the field (.433), so his actual total FG% likely was very close to the known .400 mark.

    Kareem outscored and outrebounded Wilt in their six regular season H2H's, but as almost always, Chamberlain reduced KAJ's FG% by more than 10%. Kareem only shot over 50% twice in their six H2H's, and had games of 12-31, 10-27, and 11-30 from the field against Wilt. In fact, Chamberlain even outscored Kareem in one H2H, by a 24-21 margin, while outshooting him from the field by a 10-14 to 10-27 margin.

    I didn't include Elvin Hayes, because he was now a PF alongside Unseld.

    In any case, Chamberlain was not only blocking a KNOWN 5.4 bpg in his LAST season, he was DRAMATICALLY lowering the efficiency of the top centers in the league. All at age 36.
    Continued...

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    Continued...

    In his first 20 straight H2H games with that 6-11 HOFer (who would measure over 7-0 in today's NBA)...Chamberlain averaged...get this... 48.2 ppg...COMBINED. THREE games of 60+, and a plethora of 50+ point games.

    A PEAK Kareem's high game against the same guy...41 points, followed by a game of 39, and then 35...in 25 H2H games.

    FIVE games of 50+ against the 6-9 1/2 Russell, and world-ranked high-jumper, with a high of 62. BTW, Russell was the same exact height as DeAndre Jordan, Dwight Howard, Andre Drummond, and Demarcus Cousins.

    Multiple 60+ point games against the likes of Imhoff, Fox, and Dierking. And yet a PEAK Kareem also faced those same centers, except they were on the downside of their careers, and never sniffed a 50 point game.

    Or the multiple 50+ point games that Chamberlain hung on Willis Reed. A peak KAJ's high game against Reed... 41 points.

    A prime "scoring" Chamberlain just slaughtered a prime Thurmond in the course of 13 straight games, with SIX games of 30+, including highs of 38 and 45 points. A PEAK Kareem faced an aging full-time Nate in 35 H2H games, and had FIVE of 30+, with a high of 34. Oh, and Wilt had a season of 21 ppg on a .633 FG% against Thurmond. Kareem never approached that FG% in his seasonal H2H's with Nate. In fact, while Chamberlain shot over .540 against Thurmond (and held him to an unfathomable .360 career FG% against him)...KAJ's career FG% against a full-time Nate... .447.

    The reality was, a prime Chamberlain was FAR more dominant against the same centers that a prime Kareem would also face a few years later.

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