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Re: Andrew Bogut or Andrew Bynum
How about the guy who doesn't suspiciously get injured at the same time with the same injury for the last 3 years
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All For *One* For All
Re: Andrew Bogut or Andrew Bynum
Not sure if serious? Bogut though.
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I am the First Officer
Re: Andrew Bogut or Andrew Bynum
This is an insult to Andrew Bogut. What the hell has Bynum done other than get injured?
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Re: Andrew Bogut or Andrew Bynum
Bogut has shown to be more durable, but a healthy Bynum has a higher ceiling and a bigger defensive presence.
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Death Before Dishonor
Re: Andrew Bogut or Andrew Bynum
Bogut is a better on offense and defender so whats the debate?
Last edited by Bigsmoke; 01-11-2011 at 12:41 AM.
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Re: Andrew Bogut or Andrew Bynum
I love how the question is asking which is the better player yet everyone shrugs off Bynum because of his injury problems. If we disregarded injury problems and look purely at his skills as a player, Bynum's got it locked.
Bynum is more fundamentally sound. He has lost a lot of his explosion since his knee injuries, but he still performs at a high level because of his skills. He has a soft touch around the rim. Bynum's TS% is nearly 6% higher than Bogut's, and his FG% is about 4% higher. As far as rebounds go, they both have around the same rebounding rate, with Bogut having a slight advantage. I'd take the Center that's been playing with two other ~10rpg players and putting up the same rebound rate.
Bynum's favorite player and role model is Tim Duncan, the Big Fundamental. It could be said that Bynum has taken after Duncan quite well. He is fundamentally sound in offense as well as defense. He doesn't need his explosiveness to remain a good center, as his recent play has shown us.
Bogut is probably right under Bynum for me as far as Centers go, but Bynum is definitely the better player. If he were injury free, he would probably currently be regarded unanimously as the second best center in the game.
Again, I'm just asking you to look at the evidence. Bynum's fundamental skills has allowed him to come back after two knee injuries and three surgeries and still perform at around the same level as before. He is a defensive stalwart for the Lakers. He is more skilled and more fundamentally sound.
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Re: Andrew Bogut or Andrew Bynum
Oh yah, for those who don't just watch games to make their final decision... Bynum's PER has been over 20 for 4 years running, despite injuries. Bogut has hit that mark once.
Don't just look at stats though, Bynum has solid fundamentals in game. He's not exciting to watch ( much like Duncan) but he's solid.
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Re: Andrew Bogut or Andrew Bynum
Originally Posted by scm5
I love how the question is asking which is the better player yet everyone shrugs off Bynum because of his injury problems. If we disregarded injury problems and look purely at his skills as a player, Bynum's got it locked.
Bynum is more fundamentally sound. He has lost a lot of his explosion since his knee injuries, but he still performs at a high level because of his skills. He has a soft touch around the rim. Bynum's TS% is nearly 6% higher than Bogut's, and his FG% is about 4% higher. As far as rebounds go, they both have around the same rebounding rate, with Bogut having a slight advantage. I'd take the Center that's been playing with two other ~10rpg players and putting up the same rebound rate.
Bynum's favorite player and role model is Tim Duncan, the Big Fundamental. It could be said that Bynum has taken after Duncan quite well. He is fundamentally sound in offense as well as defense. He doesn't need his explosiveness to remain a good center, as his recent play has shown us.
Bogut is probably right under Bynum for me as far as Centers go, but Bynum is definitely the better player. If he were injury free, he would probably currently be regarded unanimously as the second best center in the game.
Again, I'm just asking you to look at the evidence. Bynum's fundamental skills has allowed him to come back after two knee injuries and three surgeries and still perform at around the same level as before. He is a defensive stalwart for the Lakers. He is more skilled and more fundamentally sound.
Why would we do that?
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TheBogeyOne
Re: Andrew Bogut or Andrew Bynum
Yao Ming is the best center in the league.
[COLOR="White"]if we disregard injury problems.[/COLOR]
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Re: Andrew Bogut or Andrew Bynum
Originally Posted by XxSMSxX
Why would we do that?
Because comparing Bynum to Bogut was like Comparing Yao and Ilgauskas through their careers. There's no doubt that Yao was the better player throughout his career, but Ilgauskas put up similar stats and yet isn't even mentioned in the same breath as Yao. Why?
Yao was injury prone, and comparing Yao to Big Z is very much like comparing Bynum and Bogut. Bynum puts up better numbers when he's on the floor, but is off the floor much more. Bogut and Big Z are both less injury prone, but don't perform at the same level as Yao and Bynum.
Yao shoots about 4% better than Ilgauskas and is the more skilled player. He puts up the better efficiency numbers of the two. They both rebound at around the same rate. Yao is injured more, yet is considered better than Ilgauskas.
Sound familiar to a comparison I just made?
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Re: Andrew Bogut or Andrew Bynum
Originally Posted by Qwyjibo
I like Bogut's defense and rebounding far more. I'll take him. But Bynum is good too.
Bogut's rebounding rate is slightly higher than Bynum's but Bynum plays with two other 10rpg players. If you adjust Bynum's minutes to Bogut's, his rebounding would be nearly identical to Bogut's.
Bynum's FG% is higher by 9. Before you say it's a product of playing with Gasol, Bynum was scoring at a 63% clip before he went down in 08, just before Gasol came to LA.
I don't understand how players look at blind stats only. Look at how they get their rebounds and points and you will see that Bynum is clearly a superior player.
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Learning to shoot layups
Re: Andrew Bogut or Andrew Bynum
do people fail to forget that the ''injury prone'' andrew was hurt twice by teamates? I think odom hurt him in '08 and then kobe dove for a ball against Memphis and hit his knee in '09-'10 season... you guys are so cute.
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very niiice
Re: Andrew Bogut or Andrew Bynum
So now some Lakers fans think Bynum isnt injury prone, and totally disregard Boguts all round skills.
Brilliant
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Re: Andrew Bogut or Andrew Bynum
Originally Posted by Rhyen
do people fail to forget that the ''injury prone'' andrew was hurt twice by teamates? I think odom hurt him in '08 and then kobe dove for a ball against Memphis and hit his knee in '09-'10 season... you guys are so cute.
To posters here, injuries are injuries. I somewhat agree. He hasn't been the most reliable player to date, but his comebacks from his injuries have sold me. He is solid fundamentally and if he can stay healthy, even without regaining any lost athleticism or explosiveness, he will be Top 2-3 Centers in the league.
He has rebounded from injuries like a champion. He has played through injuries like a champion. His recent comeback from injury has pretty much solidified my stance on him.
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National High School Star
Re: Andrew Bogut or Andrew Bynum
Originally Posted by Rhyen
do people fail to forget that the ''injury prone'' andrew was hurt twice by teamates? I think odom hurt him in '08 and then kobe dove for a ball against Memphis and hit his knee in '09-'10 season... you guys are so cute.
I don't understand what thats supposed to mean. So if someone gets injured by their own player it doesn't count as an injury?
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