Is LeBron James already better than Tim Duncan ever was?

[ILLsmak]

How many all-stars did Duncan have on his team? Shaq had one superstar, and two of the greatest role players. While Duncan had D-Robs carcass, crazy cpt jack, and two newbie international players. But ok, Duncan's team was much better . I never even liked Duncan really until i realized how absurdly underrated he is by most people just because he doesn't do anything flashy.

If you're talking about Horry, he played pretty poorly in that series. Same with Fisher. They played OK. In the one game they played well, the Lakers won handily...

The Spurs had way more people stepping up. Look at the box scores again.

All stars mean nothing when it could be said that by that time Kobe and Shaq did not complement each other. Two players getting 30 is only 60 points. If nobody else does anything or if one of the guys who you count on to get 30 is having a bad game, then it's over. Yes, Shaq and Kobe were really good during the 3 peat... that's why they 3 peated. But by that time things were breaking down and the Lakers role players were starting to slip, too. That's pretty much why they didn't win anymore.

It's insulting that people can say I haven't watched Duncan because I don't rate him as one of the greatest players of all time. Or when you can say with a straight face Prime Duncan > Prime Shaq. Keep in mind that Duncan is like 5 years younger than Shaq, so all of the head to head comparisons are slightly skewed. Not to say Shaq wasn't doing his, but lately it's really come into play because Shaq is old.

So, this is what I'm saying. Duncan isn't one of the greatest players ever. He's not better than Shaq, and he's definitely not better than LeBron now. Being one of the hugest Shaq fans ever, I have the ability to admit that LeBron now is better than Prime Shaq without batting an eye. LeBron is the ****ing GOAT and if you don't see that you are crazy. Nobody has in the modern era has come close to his impact. A playmaker AND a 30 ppg scorer... at 6'8? Grabbing boards from centers? Man... you guys just need to grasp reality. Sorry if you don't like LeBron, but he is AT LEAST on the same level as MJ (although MJ fans will always hold onto MJ's GOATness because I bet Bron will never get 6 rings... and probably never 3 peat.)

I'll stop this dead end argument. We both know how the other feels.

-Smak

[CeoTypeDoe619]

If you're talking about Horry, he played pretty poorly in that series. Same with Fisher. They played OK. In the one game they played well, the Lakers won handily...

The Spurs had way more people stepping up. Look at the box scores again.

All stars mean nothing when it could be said that by that time Kobe and Shaq did not complement each other. Two players getting 30 is only 60 points. If nobody else does anything or if one of the guys who you count on to get 30 is having a bad game, then it's over. Yes, Shaq and Kobe were really good during the 3 peat... that's why they 3 peated. But by that time things were breaking down and the Lakers role players were starting to slip, too. That's pretty much why they didn't win anymore.

It's insulting that people can say I haven't watched Duncan because I don't rate him as one of the greatest players of all time. Or when you can say with a straight face Prime Duncan > Prime Shaq. Keep in mind that Duncan is like 5 years younger than Shaq, so all of the head to head comparisons are slightly skewed. Not to say Shaq wasn't doing his, but lately it's really come into play because Shaq is old.

So, this is what I'm saying. Duncan isn't one of the greatest players ever. He's not better than Shaq, and he's definitely not better than LeBron now. Being one of the hugest Shaq fans ever, I have the ability to admit that LeBron now is better than Prime Shaq without batting an eye. LeBron is the ****ing GOAT and if you don't see that you are crazy. Nobody has in the modern era has come close to his impact. A playmaker AND a 30 ppg scorer... at 6'8? Grabbing boards from centers? Man... you guys just need to grasp reality. Sorry if you don't like LeBron, but he is AT LEAST on the same level as MJ (although MJ fans will always hold onto MJ's GOATness because I bet Bron will never get 6 rings... and probably never 3 peat.)

I'll stop this dead end argument. We both know how the other feels.

-Smak

Lmao Cry Me A River Brah

Lebron aint better then Duncan & Shaq in their prime
He aint even better then Kobe today and brah is 31 lmfao

[Lebron23]

Lmao Cry Me A River Brah

Lebron aint better then Duncan & Shaq in their prime
He aint even better then Kobe today and brah is 31 lmfao

You are a dumb @$$.

LeBron and Durant are better than Kobe this season. Kobe is currently ranked 4th in the NBA MVP Race.

[lilgodfather1]

You are a dumb @$$.

LeBron and Durant are better than Kobe this season. Kobe is currently ranked 4th in the NBA MVP Race.

MVP does not = better than. But I agree LeBron is a better player than Durant, and i'm sure an argument could be made for Durant being a top 5 although I don't believe he is.

LeBron
Kobe
Wade
Melo
Dwight
Paul

are all better than Durant is.


Edit: meant to say LeBron is a better player than Kobe is not Durant, although that is true as well.

[CeoTypeDoe619]

You are a dumb @$$.

LeBron and Durant are better than Kobe this season. Kobe is currently ranked 4th in the NBA MVP Race.

Yeah and you just said durant is better then kobe

slap yaself then ya moms

[Lebron23]

Yeah and you just said durant is better then kobe

slap yaself then ya moms

Of course I'd still take Kobe Bryant over Kevin Durant in the playoffs, but Durant is playing better than Kobe in the Regular Season.

MVP does not = better than. But I agree LeBron is a better player than Durant, and i'm sure an argument could be made for Durant being a top 5 although I don't believe he is.

LeBron
Kobe
Wade
Melo
Dwight
Paul

are all better than Durant is.

Fair Enough

[CeoTypeDoe619]

Of course I'd still take Kobe Bryant over Kevin Durant in the playoffs, but Durant is playing better than Kobe in the Regular Season.



Fair Enough

Cuz he's scoring more points? Kobe averages double his assist. More steals and less turnovers. And has been a way better defender then durant. Brah with those 26,000 post i would think you knew a little about basketball

[Lebron23]

Cuz he's scoring more points? Kobe averages double his assist. More steals and less turnovers. And has been a way better defender then durant. Brah with those 26,000 post i would think you knew a little about basketball

Shutup Can'tstop. I'm just messing with you.

[CeoTypeDoe619]

Shutup Can'tstop. I'm just messing with you.

Haha cant wait till i get to meet this Cantstop guy who is supposedly shares the same views i do. He's going straight to my Fav 5

[SCdac]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zffp-...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtauD...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDkOe...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbszn...eature=related

Duncan dropping 37 points, 16 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 blocks to eliminate the defending champion 2002 Lakers on their own court. Timmy posting up and getting layups, dunks, turnaround jump shots, taking Horry off the dribble at the top of the key, hitting a 17 foot face up jump shot, grabbing offensive boards and converting, dishing out of the post, and hitting 5 of 7 free throws... He wasn't JUST a defensive player, the offense went through him, Walton called him "virtually unstoppable with his variety of his moves".

[momo]

If the OP is serious and not a gimmick, then I question what this site is coming to. This thread should be closed and deleted immediately.

I would tend to agree but I actually think this thread should be sticky because;

Its like you're some horrifying fusion of Charles Barkley and Marv Albert.

That is priceless

[GOBB]

I agree with the premise, but I would like to point out that LeBrons defensive impact is also a game changer.

Tim Duncan anchored the defense of the Spurs for years. There were consistently one of the best defensive teams because of him. He protected the paint and allowed guys like Bruce Bowen to play agressively on the perimeter. I like how none of that means zero to you but you get goose bumps because Bron anticipates a player driving and blocks his shot from behind. You obviously never watched nor paid much attention to Tim Duncan. He's the best player of the decade but not better than Lebron. Makes zero sense. Duncan is regarded as a player who can be considered top 10 of all time. Somehow Bron is a top 10 player of all time already. And the fact you've all but given Bron an MVP before he even won it just tells me your agenda.

[Killuminati90]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zffp-...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtauD...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDkOe...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbszn...eature=related

Duncan dropping 37 points, 16 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 blocks to eliminate the defending champion 2002 Lakers on their own court. Timmy posting up and getting layups, dunks, turnaround jump shots, taking Horry off the dribble at the top of the key, hitting a 17 foot face up jump shot, grabbing offensive boards and converting, dishing out of the post, and hitting 5 of 7 free throws... He wasn't JUST a defensive player, the offense went through him, Walton called him "virtually unstoppable with his variety of his moves".

2001-2005 was Prime Duncan and was perhaps better than current Lebron James. At least equal. People tend to forget to quick, same thing happened with Iverson (although he has earned it in some way acting like a canswer in the last years).

Yet again I repeat what I said in my earlier post, a couple of pages before, if I had to pick one of this 2 to start my franchise, I would pick Timmy all the day.

[jlauber]

He's the most dominant player of all time in any sport. No one else comes close.

Yep...there is a mountain of evidence which supports that Lebron is the most dominant player of all-time, and no else comes close.

Somehow, though, it got lost in reality.

[catch24]

Right NOW, he's playing better than any version of Tim Duncan (02 is debatable but I'd still pick Lebron). Defense, scoring, rebounding, passing, all while being the anchor of his team. That's "GOAT level" like.