Expanded team buider game. 300+ players. A true test of lockout boredom.

[Kblaze8855]

I felt that I rushed it last time and made some of the picks too obvious. Damn near everyone had Scottie Pippen, Reggie Miller, KG, or drob. so ive expanded it. Hopefully we get more varied teams.

This time I actually will look it over and decide who I think would be the final 4 teams if they all played in a league and then a winner. I know it takes effort to think these out for those of you who care...so I will put effort into judging them. Anyone else feels like ranking them...feel free. Just gonna post what I think. Id like t osee what we come up with given this many options.


Ive made the penalty for starting with an all time elite player even greater. This is how it goes...


Start with group 1 you get


1 from Level 1.

1 from level 3.

1 from level 4.

2 from level 5

2 from level 6

2 from level 7

3 from level 8.



Thats the price you pay for taking Jordan or shaq.


Start with group 2?



1 from level 2.

2 from level 3

2 from level 4

2 from level 5

2 from level 6

2 from level 7

1 from level 8


For 12 total players.


Fee lfree to explain your rotations or...dont. Do whatever you feel like to kill the offseason nothingness. I'll make a team later but wont include it when Irank them.




Group 1.



Jordan
Shaq
Wilt
Russell
Bird
Magic
Kareem
Hakeem
Duncan




2.


David Robinson(90-96)
Ewing(89-94)
Lebron(06-10)
Wade(06-10)
Bob Pettit
Dirk(06-now)
Oscar robertson(peak)
Pippen
Karl Malone(whatever you consider his prime)
Bill Walton(Healthy...76-78 form)
Moses Malone(79-83)
Kobe(06-08)
Elgin Baylor
Barkley
Hondo(peak...early 70s)
Doctor J(prime)
Jerry West
Tmac(prime)
Kg(prime)
Dwight Howard now(hard to place...but a top 2 player right now justifies a level 2)



3.

Kidd
Isiah Thomas(prime)
Stockton
Gervin
Rick barry
Kemp
Bernard King(prime...healthy)
Dennis Johnson
Dave cowens
Bob Lanier
Carmelo
Mitch Richmond
Webber
Alex english
Derrick Rose now
Vince Carter(00-02)
Iverson(2000-2007)
Pierce(prime)
Nash(05-08)
Durant
Nate thurmond
Nique
Jerry Lucas
Drexler
Zo
Mchale
Adrian Dantley
Tim Hardaway
Grant Hill(95-2000)
Willis Reed
Elvin Hayes
Pau Gasol
Kevin Johnson
Chris Paul
Pistol Pete
Ray Allen
Yao Ming
Walt Frazier
Chris Mullin
Penny(94-98)
Wes unseld
Mark Price
Cousy
Deron Williams
Payton
Webber
Parish


4.

Brand
Blake(now)
Aldridge(now)
Boozer
Arenas(05-09)
Jerry Stackhouse(2000-2003)
Terry Porter
Derrick Coleman
Manu
Chris Bosh
Marbury(Nets/suns)
Rondo
Baron Davis(prime)
Mutombo
Brandon Roy(healthy)
Jamal Mashburn
Reggie Miller
Rasheed(prime)
Vin Baker
Sam Jones
Mcdyess(Nuggets)
Larry Johnson(Hornets)
Dennis Rodman(91-96)
Finley
Cassell
Manu
Joe Johnson
Mark jackson
Mitch Richmond
Dumars
Glenn Robinson
Worthy
Tom chambers(suns before 92)
Sprewell
Marbury(prime)
Kevin Willis
Ben Wallace(first pistons run)
Jermaine Oneal(prime)
Glen Rice(Charlotte)
Marion(prime)
Westbrook(now)
Al Jefferson
Tony Parker
Zach Randolph(now)
Chauncey Billups(03-09)




5.


Rudy Gay
Shawn elliot
Odom
Rip Hamilton
Deng
Andre Iguodala
Jalen Rose(Pacers)
Michael Adams(Bullets/Nuggets)
Richard Jefferson
Cedric Ceballos
Vanexel
Kevin Love
Antione walker(prime)
Larry Nance
Antawn Jamison(warriors to Wizards)
Jeff Hornacek
Artest(pacers)
Kenny Anderson(nets)
Josh Smith
Danny Granger
Anthony Mason
Detlef
AK47(prime)
Alan Houston
Kukoc
Buck williams
Stepheon Jackson
Bibby(kings)
Devin Harris(Nets)
Peja(kings)
John Starks
Caron Butler(wizards)
Rod Strickland
Jason Richardson(Peak...warriors)
Rik smits
Steve Francis
Shareef Abdur Rahim
Steve Smith
David West
Marcus Camby(prime
Eddie Jones
Gerald wallace(Bobcats)
Vlade(prime)
Seikaly
Bogut
Brook Lopez
Big Z
al Horford
Dan Majerle
Jim Jackson(mavs)



6.

PJ Brown(peak)
Doug Cristie
Hedo(first run with the Magic)
Beasley
Barbosa(suns)
john Salmons
Mo williams(bucks/cavs)
Noah
Laphonso Ellis
Jason Terry(now)
Marc Gasol
Paul Millsap
Keith Vanhorn(nets)
Theo Ratliff
Kendall Gill(hornets/nets)
OJ Mayo
Raja Bell(Suns)
Horace grant
Jameer Nelson
Michael Redd
Nene
Okur
Mark Eaton
Dennis Scott
brian Grant(Blazers)
Emeka
Nick Anderson
Tyson Chandler(hornets to now)
Andre Miller(peak))
Isiah Rider
Jamal Crawford
Horry(peak)
Larry Hughes(wizards)
Mookie blaylock
Raymond Felton



7.

Bobby Jackson
Korver
Dell Curry
Delonte West
Lindsey Hunter
Kirk Hinrich
Taj Gibson
Channing Frye
Ricky Davis(Cavs and Celtics)
Gortat
Rick Fox
K.Perkins
Aaron Mckie
Jason Willaims(Kings/Memphis)
Cuttino Mobley
Ruben Patterson
Michael cooper
Bruce Bowen
Nate robinson
Steve Blake
Ibaka
Thabo
Diaw(Suns)
Calderon
Chuck Hayes
Rafer alston
Derrick Fisher
Avery Johnson
James Posey
Al harrington
Mario elie
Tayshaun Prince
Muggsy
Brent Barry
Desmond Mason
Anderson Varejao
Shane Battier
Drew Gooden(Magic/cavs)
Tim Thomas
tony Allen
Aaron Affalo
Chris dudley
Tree rollins
Eric snow
Ben Gordon
Tyrone Hill
George Lynch
Derek Anderson


8.

*partly..jokes..the mascots/victory cigars...but some useful players*

Tyrus thomas
Hakim Warrick
Boobie Gibson
Jeff McInnis
Stromile swift
Darko
Smush Parker
chris childs
Mateen Cleaves
Craig Ehlo(better than several of these guys...but id be amused to see him on a team vs Jordan)
Tim Legler
Damon Jones
Tyron Lue(00-02)
Robin Lopez
Eddie House
Mikki Moore
charlie ward
Shawn Bradley
Kurt Rambis
Travis best
vonteego Cummings
Kwame Brown
Jason Kapono
Luke Walton(current)
Sun Yue
Manute Bol
Danny Ferry
Anthony Parker
Ike Austin
George Muresan
Keith Closs
Keon clark




Lets see what you can do bored people. Promise you wont see another of these topics till next lockout.

[eliteballer]

Moses should be tier 1...

[Kblaze8855]

Just because I like a bit of a challenge im gonna start with a level 1 anyway....


1.
Jordan


3.

Zo

4.

Manu

5.

Jeff Hornacek

Larry nance

6.

jameer nelson

robert horry

7.
Hinrich
Brent Barry

8.
Keon Clark
Eddie House
Manute Bol


Jameer Nelson/Hinrich/Eddie House
Manu/Jeff Hornacek
Jordan/brent Barry
Larry Nance/Robert horry
Zo/Keon/Manute


Jameer can play without the ball and pick his spots pretty well.

Jordan is Jordan. I have a madman who doesnt care about fouls and can touch 12 feet trying to block shots no matter who I have in at center. Horry can guard 4 positions in his prime. Larry Nance is the 80s Josh Smith with a brain. Hornacek can fill in at 3 positions, Hinrich can guard almost anyone under 6'7'' who isnt barkley or Larry Johnson, brent Barry plays 3 positions for me. Eddie House is a solid victor cigar/shooter off the bench who plays 12 minutes in the entire playoffs.

Id stop just about anyone and let Jordan loose to bring home close games with some combo of my 6 shooters(or 7 if I count horry) to keep doubles off him. Id ride with that team with Pop or chuck Daly as its coach.

[Kblaze8855]

Considered moses as a 1 but...it would just make sure he doesnt get taken at all. Perhaps by you. But nobody else. I doubt Magic, Bird, or Duncan even get taken. Theonly level 1s I see getting picked are Jordan, Hakeem, and Shaq.

[eliteballer]

Isiah
Drexler
Worthy
Rodman
Moses

Manu
Deng
Bibby
Noah
Ho Grant
Michael Cooper
Diaw
Ehlo

-------------------------------

Isiah/Manu/Bibby
Drexler/Cooper/Ehlo
Worthy/Deng
Rodman/Ho Grant/Diaw
Moses/Noah

Playmaking, defense, athleticism, shooting, size, rebounding, slashing, post scoring its all there

[32MJ32]

Just because I like a bit of a challenge im gonna start with a level 1 anyway....


1.
Jordan


3.

Zo

4.

Manu

5.

Jeff Hornacek

Larry nance

6.

jameer nelson

robert horry

7.
Hinrich
Brent Barry

8.
Keon Clark
Eddie House
Manute Bol


Jameer Nelson/Hinrich/Eddie House
Manu/Jeff Hornacek
Jordan/brent Barry
Larry Nance/Robert horry
Zo/Keon/Manute


Jameer can play without the ball and pick his spots pretty well.

Jordan is Jordan. I have a madman who doesnt care about fouls and can touch 12 feet trying to block shots no matter who I have in at center. Horry can guard 4 positions in his prime. Larry Nance is the 80s Josh Smith with a brain. Hornacek can fill in at 3 positions, Hinrich can guard almost anyone under 6'7'' who isnt barkley or Larry Johnson, brent Barry plays 3 positions for me. Eddie House is a solid victor cigar/shooter off the bench who plays 12 minutes in the entire playoffs.

Id stop just about anyone and let Jordan loose to bring home close games with some combo of my 6 shooters(or 7 if I count horry) to keep doubles off him. Id ride with that team with Pop or chuck Daly as its coach.

Eddie House?

I'm staggered

[Jacks3]

Prime /KG/LBJ/Kobe/Wade are tier 1 players.

[Butters]

(2) Dirk
(3)Stockton
(3)Ray allen
(4)Mutombo
(4)Ben wallace
(5)Josh smith
(5)Peja
(6)Jason terry
(6)Horry
(7)Shane Battier
(7)D.Fish
(8)Manute Bol

Mostly just fun picked.

Starting line up

PG.Stockton
SG.Ray allen
SF.Peja
PF.Dirk
C.Mutumbo

[Kblaze8855]

Eddie would be good for a game tying 3 or two over 82 games on that team. He would only have a place on the court down 3 with 10 seconds or less to go.

Eddie House
manu
Jordan
Brent Barry
Horry

You leaving anyone if Jordan is about to drive?

[NugzHeat3]

Gary Payton / Derek Fisher
Manu Ginobili / Jeff Hornacek / Craig Ehlo
Chris Mullin / Ron Artest / Mario Elie
Rasheed Wallace / Horace Grant
Bill Walton / Manute Bol

- Started with Walton as he seems like a great guy to build your around offense around. Terrific passing ability from the high post and he was a great defender too. He seemed to have mastered defensive positioning. This is a guy you can build your offense and defense around.

- Two great low-post players in Payton and Sheed and Walton can very much hit the jumpshot to give them room down low.

- Excellent shooter in Mullin who can also run point forward. Magic compared him to Bird sometime in the early 90s because they were similar types on offense and defense. Mully's man defense was bad on the quicker guys but he would look great with Walton and he had quick hands which help in deflections and such.

- Sheed can be a knucklehead but under Walton's leadership, he would play smart, probably. Great defender with his length and good post-up game.

- Manu gives you great offense and underrated defense. He's relentless with his slashing and creativity on offense.

- Artest is the perimeter stopper. Bol the shot blocker or to give Walton a few minutes rest.

- Hornacek can take over shooting and playmaking duties. Ehlo to shut down Jordan like he did in the 1992 ECF (yeah I went there...[COLOR="White"]don

[iamgine]

PG Pippen (2)
SG Rodman (4)
SF Odom (5)
PF Webber (3)
C Yao (3)

[Stuckey]

Eddie would be good for a game tying 3 or two over 82 games on that team. He would only have a place on the court down 3 with 10 seconds or less to go.

Eddie House
manu
Jordan
Brent Barry
Horry

You leaving anyone if Jordan is about to drive?

not sure if srs

[Kblaze8855]

Very. up 3...thats a nightmare situation. Its pretty much give up the quick 2 to Jordan and start the game over if you make both fts...or actually attempt to stop him and leave someone open. People think coaches tell teams not to defend inside the 3 point line in those situations but its not what ive often seen. Kinda like how people assume a coach just fouls when up 3. But it rarely works out like that. Its not a dream situation(down 3 never is) but its a situation id feel confident id at worst...cut it to 1 with 6-7 seconds left. Which is enough. be a hard team to close out.

[NugzHeat3]

Very. up 3...thats a nightmare situation. Its pretty much give up the quick 2 to Jordan and start the game over if you make both fts...or actually attempt to stop him and leave someone open. People think coaches tell teams not to defend inside the 3 point line in those situations but its not what ive often seen. Kinda like how people assume a coach just fouls when up 3. But it rarely works out like that. Its not a dream situation(down 3 never is) but its a situation id feel confident id at worst...cut it to 1 with 6-7 seconds left. Which is enough. be a hard team to close out.

Won't have to double MJ.

GP stripped him straight up on the last possession of a regular season game in the 1995-96 season. Seattle was up 94-92.

OK that wasn't peak Jordan who was much quicker with less weight on but still.

[Stuckey]

1 shaq
4 arenas
4 rasheed
5 iguodala
7 afflalo

havent even seen Afflalo`s prime

get a shooting coach for Iguodala