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Old 07-21-2013, 02:17 PM   #32
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Default Re: Is PEAK Shaq (2000) the GOAT?

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Shaq crushed the competition during the Lakers 3-peat, he absolutely destroyed the league and lead his Laker team in scoring and was the man.

Wilt was the tied 2nd and 4th option during his title runs..

And record books, please... Wilt didn't win shit during his statistical prime and his records are due the fact that he played selfish basketball in an extremely high-paced era.

You mean the Wilt that "didn't win shit" in his rookie season, when he took a LAST-PACE team to a then team record of 49-26...all while leading the league in scoring and rebounding.

Or the "stats-padding" Chamberlain, whose COACH told him to score, leading the core of that same LAST-PLACE roster to a 49-31 record, and then thru the first round of the playoffs (with a must-win and series-clinching 56 point 35 rebound game), and then to a game seven, two point loss against the 60-20 HOF-laden Celtics....with a 34 ppg series,...all while his teammates collectively shot .354 in that post-season?

Or a Chamberlain, in his 64-65 season, taking a 40-40 team, which had been 34-46 the year before he arrived, and crushing the 48-32 Royals in the first round, and then taking that team to a game seven, one point loss against the 62-18 Celtics, and doing so with a 30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg, .555 FG series?

Or in his 65-66 season, when he led the NBA in scoring, rebounding, and FG% (as well as handing out 5.2 apg),and, oh BTW, led his team to the BEST RECORD in the league (how many times did Hakeem do that BTW?)

You mean the Wilt who LED his '67 Sixers in scoring, rebounding, FG%, and assists en route to a 68-13 record? And had the HIGH game in the NBA that season, with 58 points? Or that had the HIGH game for the Sixers in the post-season, with 41 points. And who averaged 21.7 ppg, 29.2 rpg, 9.2 apg, and shot a team high (and by a MILE) .579 FG%? And who dominated the clinching game against the eight-time defending Celtics in the EDF's with a 29 point, 10-16 shooting, 13 assist, 7 block, 36 rebound game (and BTW, he had 22 points in the first half when the game was still close)? And then destroyed Thurmond in the entire Finals, including a clinching game six performance of 24 points, on 8-13 shooting, with 23 rebounds, while holding Nate to 12 points on 4-13 shooting 9and oh BTW, his "leading scorer teammate ...scored 15 points on 5-15 shooting)?

Or the Chamberlain who led his team to the BEST RECORD in the league in '68, and had the FOUR highest scoring games in the NBA that season (52, 53, 53, and 68 points)? All while leading the league in assists, rpg, and FG%?

Yep...he "didn't win shit."
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Old 07-21-2013, 02:28 PM   #33
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It's too bad Shaq peaked when every all time great center else was either old or retired.
Yeah. When you look at like that, other than Duncan and Garnett, there was no big that can challenge Shaq for the all-time list. But it would be just ignorant to say Shaq didn't face elite frountcourts during his 3peat seasons.
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Old 07-21-2013, 04:40 PM   #34
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Could you name the all-stars of those opposing teams? The garbage teams he dominated don't impress me.

2000 Blazers were stacked, and a great defensive team. The defense they played on Shaq was some of the toughest I've seen played on a player, particularly with Pippen doubling Shaq on the catch.

2002 Kings were also loaded. Both are far from garbage teams.

As far as big men? He faced some solid ones and some weak ones during the 3peat, but he also dominated Dikembe Mutombo in the '01 finals. Mutombo of course was a 4-time DPOY, and Shaq averaged 33/16/5/3 in that series.
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Old 07-21-2013, 04:43 PM   #35
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2000 Blazers were stacked, and a great defensive team. The defense they played on Shaq was some of the toughest I've seen played on a player, particularly with Pippen doubling Shaq on the catch.

2002 Kings were also loaded. Both are far from garbage teams.

As far as big men? He faced some solid ones and some weak ones during the 3peat, but he also dominated Dikembe Mutombo in the '01 finals. Mutombo of course was a 4-time DPOY, and Shaq averaged 33/16/5/3 in that series.

Graviton wasn't being serious.
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Old 07-21-2013, 05:05 PM   #36
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Default Re: Is PEAK Shaq (2000) the GOAT?

A little off topic, but I wish Shaq would have put aside his ego and and adopted Rick Barry's free throw style. I know Barry reached out to him several times but Shaq refused to try it.
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Old 07-21-2013, 05:16 PM   #37
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As far as big men? He faced some solid ones and some weak ones during the 3peat, but he also dominated Dikembe Mutombo in the '01 finals. Mutombo of course was a 4-time DPOY, and Shaq averaged 33/16/5/3 in that series.

Mutombo just didn't weigh enough. He was getting bullied around by a guy 100+ pounds heavier than him. And stronger. I give Mutombo credit for standing in there and not flopping. He was taking elbows to the face and still contesting Shaq's dunks.

Mutombo manned up, but what could he do against that behomoth?
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Old 07-21-2013, 07:04 PM   #38
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Shaq is the GOAT.

If he had Phil Jackson for the entirety of his prime you would have seen him play at that level for even longer. Phil ALWAYS knew how to get the most out of his stars and take their games to another level. The triangle utilized all of Shaqs strengths.

Shaqs huge frame just couldn't go through 82 games + playoffs year after year. That's why he always missed regular season time in LA which people hold against him(and its part of why he only has 1 regular season MVP). But when it was the playoffs he always stepped up and played better than anyone ever has. And thats what matters in the end.

All you have to do is watch him play. The game was effortless and there was NOTHING defenses could do. This isn't like Kobe or Jordan making contested fadaway jumpshots with a hand in their face. You can't do anything about that, but how often are they going to make that? With a guy like Shaq he could just get inside and overpower anyone and there is NOTHING defenses could do. When a guy is dunking it down your throat and you are powerless to stop him you are looking at the greatest player ever. And if he wanted to change it up, he had a beautiful touch around the rim, he had a feel for the offense and could always find the open man when help came, and caught cutters all the time.

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Athletic enough to get his head at rim level despite pushing 400 pounds

You will never see an athlete like that ever again.

The only reason why Shaq is not the GOAT is because of all the games he missed, otherwise he is the GOAT.
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Old 07-21-2013, 07:30 PM   #39
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Mutombo just didn't weigh enough. He was getting bullied around by a guy 100+ pounds heavier than him. And stronger. I give Mutombo credit for standing in there and not flopping. He was taking elbows to the face and still contesting Shaq's dunks.

Mutombo manned up, but what could he do against that behomoth?

Of course, because Shaq outweighed virtually every player he faced. Although Mutombo had historically done a very good job defending Shaq prior to that 2001 finals series.

Mutombo was a great defender, it's just that Shaq's dominance at his peak level in the '01 playoffs could overcome that, particularly with Larry brown preferring not to double as much.
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..because Shaq didn't dominate all the 90's centers before he peaked
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Yep....the Record Book has Shaq's name plastered all over it. Oh wait....


And btw, what's Wilt's playoff record book look like? Or should it be called the Jordan playoff book?

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Mutombo just didn't weigh enough. He was getting bullied around by a guy 100+ pounds heavier than him. And stronger. I give Mutombo credit for standing in there and not flopping. He was taking elbows to the face and still contesting Shaq's dunks.

Mutombo manned up, but what could he do against that behomoth?
Exactly the way I always saw it.. Mutombo was your typical stick skinny but super long African player. Great length and instincts for shot blocking but guarding a bull like Shaq? Not really.. Especially old mutumbo.

Ben Wallace who is much shorter and less lengthy handled shaq much better because he had the strength not to get pushed back.



Really the problem was there was no dominant offensive big man to challenge shaq at his own position. It's one thing to throw defensive specialists at a player, another to have to play defense and offense on another great center.. Have a real chess match go on.
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No one is stopping prime shaq... shaq held his own against prime hakeem in the 90's. Early 2000 shaq >>>>> 1990's shaq.
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