Chris Paul is a great two-way player and extremely skilled, so why does he not win?

[bigkingsfan]

They ran into GS, simple as that.

[3ball]

Aside from the goat pg/goat center combo of magic/kareem, high apg players don't win championships

Period

Since the 3-point line began 30 years ago, only Magic won a ring averaging 10 apg, and only 4 other guys won rings averaging over 8 apg

People have this idea that someone getting 10 apg is such a great thing, but it usually means the ball-handler held the ball most of the possession and then found someone open to finish the play - their ball-dominance replaced ball movement and it's hard to win that way

Otoh, the way nearly all championships are won is by having a timely scorer that gets 4-7 apg (11' Dirk, 06' Wade, Kobe, MJ, KD, Kawhi, Duncan, etc) - being able to find teammates is important, but in the flow of the game and with ball movement (unpredictable), not 1 guy pounding the rock and then finding someone (predictable)

[Jay-B]

Competition, he hasn

[ArbitraryWater]

because better players have led better teams?


OP is really really bad at this basketball thing

[StrongLurk]

Chris Paul has never been on the best team in the league.

[Young X]

Aside from the goat pg/goat center combo of magic/kareem, high apg players don't win championships

Period

Since the 3-point line began 30 years ago, only Magic won a ring averaging 10 apg, and only 4 other guys won rings averaging over 8 apg

People have this idea that someone getting 10 apg is such a great thing, but it usually means the ball-handler held the ball most of the possession and then found someone open to finish the play - their ball-dominance replaced ball movement and it's hard to win that way

Otoh, the way nearly all championships are won is by having a timely scorer that gets 4-7 apg (11' Dirk, 06' Wade, Kobe, MJ, KD, Kawhi, Duncan, etc) - being able to find teammates is important, but in the flow of the game and with ball movement (unpredictable), not 1 guy pounding the rock and then finding someone (predictable)

Kyle Lowry just won a championship averaging ~9 APG.

[tpols]

Aside from the goat pg/goat center combo of magic/kareem, high apg players don't win championships

Period

Since the 3-point line began 30 years ago, only Magic won a ring averaging 10 apg, and only 4 other guys won rings averaging over 8 apg

People have this idea that someone getting 10 apg is such a great thing, but it usually means the ball-handler held the ball most of the possession and then found someone open to finish the play - their ball-dominance replaced ball movement and it's hard to win that way

Otoh, the way nearly all championships are won is by having a timely scorer that gets 4-7 apg (11' Dirk, 06' Wade, Kobe, MJ, KD, Kawhi, Duncan, etc) - being able to find teammates is important, but in the flow of the game and with ball movement (unpredictable), not 1 guy pounding the rock and then finding someone (predictable)

paul was a low key ball dominator, iso mismatch spammer.

He did almost everything right, but is best suited as a number 2... the guys like 5'10 though pretty much maxed out what he could do. He couldnt be a superstar playing like kobe or jordan... that wouldve made him brandon jennings.

[tpols]

Kyle Lowry just won a championship averaging ~9 APG.

he averaged 6.5 apg in the playoffs.

[DMAVS41]

because better players have led better teams?

This...pretty simple.

Paul was great, but he's not a championship first option.

Not really a knock...hardly anyone in history truly is.

[Young X]

Isiah Thomas averaged over 8 APG in the 1989 and 1990 playoffs.

Rondo averaged over 9 APG in the 2010 playoffs (no they didn't win game 7 but they were one possession away).

[tpols]

This...pretty simple.

Paul was great, but he's not a championship first option.

Not really a knock...hardly anyone in history truly is.

and probably like one in a billion at his height and wingspan.

[RRR3]

This...pretty simple.

Paul was great, but he's not a championship first option.

Not really a knock...hardly anyone in history truly is.

You

[DMAVS41]

[QUOTE=RRR3]You

[Young X]

I don't consider Rip or Billups as a championship first option because they weren't. Neither was the clear cut best player on a title winning team.

And, no, I don't think Paul deserves to be considered that when he never did it...and broke down in deep runs and or he and his teams fell apart in the biggest moments.

Not sure what is "crazy" when we just watched it all happen.

Just because he never did it doesn't mean he wasn't good enough.

At his peak in 2008 and 2009 he was good enough to do it.

[DMAVS41]

Just because he never did it doesn't mean he wasn't good enough.

At his epak in 2008 and 2009 he was good enough to do it.

I agree that doesn't mean he wasn't good enough...nothing is certain.

But I'm not giving him credit for something he didn't do...and when he did have his chances...he either broke down or he and his teams completely shit the bed.

Is what it is...