2016 Finals Win Completely Discredits Warriors' *15 Title

[moongaze]

The Cavs won in the last minute of the 7th game. It really could have gone either way. Steph could have easily made one three that would have sealed it. No one knew Harrison Barnes would miss every single wide open shot he took for the last three games. The Cavs couldn't have planned for that. Who knows what would have happened if Dray played in Game 5. That would have been the easiest game for them to win. They felt no pressure -- They were not going to leave Cleveland with a win and they had the weight of the world on their shoulders in Game 7. Neither team owns the other.

Draymond greens presence was not stopping a team that had two players go for 41, especially when one was shooting 70 percent from the field. It was also. 15 point loss. Draymond didn't play but klay Thompsons game more than made up for it. Had dray played that would have been less shots for klay. Also dray played the next game and the cavs won by only one less point.

The cavs lost the first two games of the series because golden state had a mental edge on them. After losing to them while injured in the finals and during g the season when Kyrie was still working himself back into shape, the cavs were unsure of themselves when playing golden state and it showed the first two games where they looked nothing like the team that steamrolled it's way through the playoffs.

After first quarter gsme 3 the cavs regained that confidence and started playing more like themselves. The result was a lopsided rest of the series where the cavs led for all but 14 minutes in games 3,5,6 and won 4 of the last 5 games . The series wasn't really close after games 1 and 2

[moongaze]

Bogut, Iggy (FMVP, locked lebron down to 39%) where injured. 2016 Cavs title has the biggest asterisk ever

Bogut was a net negative=warriors were outscored when be played
Lebron shot 39 percent due to no love and Irving. Lebron abused Iggy and everyone this year

[Rocketswin2013]

yup

[Kiddlovesnets]

A win is a win, the Cavs deserve 2016 title, and the Warriors deserved 2015 title.

[Da_Realist]

Draymond greens presence was not stopping a team that had two players go for 41, especially when one was shooting 70 percent from the field. It was also. 15 point loss. Draymond didn't play but klay Thompsons game more than made up for it. Had dray played that would have been less shots for klay. Also dray played the next game and the cavs won by only one less point.

The cavs lost the first two games of the series because golden state had a mental edge on them. After losing to them while injured in the finals and during g the season when Kyrie was still working himself back into shape, the cavs were unsure of themselves when playing golden state and it showed the first two games where they looked nothing like the team that steamrolled it's way through the playoffs.

After first quarter gsme 3 the cavs regained that confidence and started playing more like themselves. The result was a lopsided rest of the series where the cavs led for all but 14 minutes in games 3,5,6 and won 4 of the last 5 games . The series wasn't really close after games 1 and 2

You don't know that. Maybe both players don't go for 41 if Draymond played game 5. Maybe he makes a critical block or steal that stops momentum. There are a lot of conditionals to think about in a series decided in the last minute of Game 7. It could have gone either way. Maybe Bogut makes one block that starts a fast break that gives GSW enough of a cushion to pull away. Maybe Iggy goes for the dunk and draws a foul and 2 free throws instead of going for the layup that Lebron blocked if his back was healthy. Neither one of these teams are clearly better than the other.

[Da_Realist]

Bogut was a net negative=warriors were outscored when be played
Lebron shot 39 percent due to no love and Irving. Lebron abused Iggy and everyone this year

What did the analytics say about the possibility that Kevin Love would stay with Curry and force a huge miss that would seal the win in Game 7? Exactly. You can not predict how someone will impact a game. Bogut was injured and that hurt GSW regardless of what the numbers say. They named him a starter, after all. Some things can't be measured by numbers and then there is always the chance that someone will do something out of the norm. In most cases, it wouldn't matter but when two teams don't separate until the last minute of Game 7, everything matters.

[riseagainst]

absolutely.

[warriorfan]

Last years Warriors title is discredited

As well as this years Cavaliers title is discredited

We will have to wait till next season to see the rematch

The last times we have seen both squads meet up while healthy, Curry and Golden State have dominated though

[nba_55]

You don't know that. Maybe both players don't go for 41 if Draymond played game 5. Maybe he makes a critical block or steal that stops momentum. There are a lot of conditionals to think about in a series decided in the last minute of Game 7. It could have gone either way. Maybe Bogut makes one block that starts a fast break that gives GSW enough of a cushion to pull away. Maybe Iggy goes for the dunk and draws a foul and 2 free throws instead of going for the layup that Lebron blocked if his back was healthy. Neither one of these teams are clearly better than the other.

You can't use the Green suspension as an excuse. That was a result of his own actions.
Iggy got injured, but Kyrie also got injured the same game. He was clearly limited in the 2nd half of game 6. Also, if he didn't get injured, he may even score more in game 7. So, these 2 cancels out.
Bogut was playing 12 minutes a game and he was a huge negative on the court when he was playing. Still, that injury cancels out with Love's concussion. Love missed 1 game and the effect of the concussion was clearly visible for 2-3 games. When it finally went out, he beasted in game 7.
So the injuries canceled out at the end.

[nba_55]

Last years Warriors title is discredited

As well as this years Cavaliers title is discredited

We will have to wait till next season to see the rematch

The last times we have seen both squads meet up while healthy, Curry and Golden State have dominated though

Last year is descredited, but not this year. Kyrie and Love's injuries this year cancel out the Iggy and Bogut injury. You can't say the same for last year.

[warriorfan]

You can't use the Green suspension as an excuse. That was a result of his own actions.
Iggy got injured, but Kyrie also got injured the same game. He was clearly limited in the 2nd half of game 6. Also, if he didn't get injured, he may even score more in game 7. So, these 2 cancels out.
Bogut was playing 12 minutes a game and he was a huge negative on the court when he was playing. Still, that injury cancels out with Love's concussion. Love missed 1 game and the effect of the concussion was clearly visible for 2-3 games. When it finally went out, he beasted.
So the injuries cancel out at the end.

Stop the excuses

Cavaliers were banged up last year

Golden State was banged up this year

Next season we will see the rematch we have all been waiting for

The last times Golden State has played Cavaliers while both teams have been fully healthy, Golden State has destroyed them

[nba_55]

Stop the excuses

Cavaliers were banged up last year

Golden State was banged up this year

Next season we will see the rematch we have all been waiting for

The last times Golden State has played Cavaliers while both teams have been fully healthy, Golden State has destroyed them

What excuses? Didn't Kyrie suffer an injury in game 6? Didn't Love get a concussion in game 2? These are facts.

[warriorfan]

What excuses? Didn't Kyrie suffer an injury in game 6? Didn't Love get a concussion in game 2? These are facts.

Cleveland had injuries last year

Golden State had injuries this year

Last time both teams faced each other while at 100%, Golden State beat them by 30+ points in Cleveland

[nba_55]

Cleveland had injuries last year

Golden State had injuries this year

Last time both teams faced each other while at 100%, Golden State beat them by 30+ points in Cleveland

Cleveland had injuries last year, Warriors didn't.
Warriors had injuries this year, Cleveland also had injuries this year. It canceled out this year.

[moongaze]

You don't know that. Maybe both players don't go for 41 if Draymond played game 5. Maybe he makes a critical block or steal that stops momentum. There are a lot of conditionals to think about in a series decided in the last minute of Game 7. It could have gone either way. Maybe Bogut makes one block that starts a fast break that gives GSW enough of a cushion to pull away. Maybe Iggy goes for the dunk and draws a foul and 2 free throws instead of going for the layup that Lebron blocked if his back was healthy. Neither one of these teams are clearly better than the other.

For one, draymond was not guarding Kyrie much at all during the rest of the games and when he did Kyrie scored at will on him. So I'm not sure how his presence would have stopped Kyrie's game. We do know that lebron could score the same amount whether dray plays or not because he did so in game 6. Sure bogut can make one block that starts svfsdt break, but by going off the stats, golden state would have most likely been down more with him playing. I'm not sure what Iggy's back has too do with the fact that he chose to double pump a layup that jr Smith contested well. His back sure looked fine when he converted a layup in the pain against multiple cavs defenders to end the third quarter. His back sure looked fine playing 30+ minutes.