proof that its bad to lose more finals than you win

[kennethgriffin]

theres some people on this forum who scream to everyone that theres an excuse to lose more often than not depending on how far you go in the playoffs

for instance "making the finals is enough of an accomplishment"

but in reality. losing more often than not at any level is unacceptable.


if you make 10 first rounds. you should win atleast 6

of the 6 times you make the 2nd round. you should win atleast 4

of the 4 times you make the 3rd round. you should win atleast 3

of the 3 times you make the finals. you should win atleast 2



( round )

kobe:
1st ( 13-3 )
2nd ( 8-5 )
3rd ( 7-1 )
4th ( 5-2 )


Jordan
1st ( 10-3 )
2nd ( 8-2 )
3rd ( 6-2 )
4th ( 6-0 )


there is no excuse for losing more often than you win AT ANY LEVEL


the natural evolution of a great players career is

a) suck
b) become good
c) become great
d) good again
e) suck again


so theres a curve in a natural progression and regression.

if a player spends his entire career winning the 1st round. but losing most of his 2nd round appearances... then his career didnt take a natural curve. it stalled and never peaked


no evolution = spending more time at one level and leaving it open to a losing record in the next level up

in lebrons case he never evolved to "become great" he was forever stuck in the "become good" stage. so his records look great from 1,2,3 rounds then flop in the 4th

hes consistently good. but not great. thats what a losing finals record means

[sportjames23]

[dubeta]

Both Kobe and Jordan lost 3 times in the 1st round??

[iamgine]

I can say for sure losing in the finals are worse than winning in the finals.

[VengefulAngel]

Jesus, why an earth are you allowed to post?

[lilteapot]

I can say for sure losing in the finals are worse than winning in the finals.

Bullshit, where are your sources?

[kennethgriffin]

Both Kobe and Jordan lost 3 times in the 1st round??

yes.. and both won way more 1st rounds than they lost

you have to look at each round as a league/level


the point is to be a winner at every stage you reach more often than not



its impossible to reach a ton of finals without winning a ton of 1st/2nd/3rd rounds.. its almost impossible to be a 3rd round loser and have 5-6 titles


if there was a 5th round on the world stage and not just nba.. jordan and kobe would be winners there aswell... lebron... not so much

[lilteapot]

OP is a loser who has never achieved anything

[kennethgriffin]

OP is a loser who has never achieved anything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_gYRFDb8_A

[Kblaze8855]

Nobody on earth claims its better to lose a finals than win. Everyone on earth who has common sense knows its more impressive/difficult to make the finals and lose than to not make it in the first place. These topics are done to death and you have added nothing to the argument...an argument that shouldnt exist in the first place if people could be the least bit honest on the matter.

Stop spamming bullshit repeat topics. Like 3 of these "Is it better or worse to lose early?" topics are made a week. Granted...you only talk about two players so I suppose its difficult for you to post anything that isnt done to death....but you dont even try.

[kennethgriffin]

Nobody on earth claims its better to lose a finals than win. Everyone on earth who has common sense knows its more impressive/difficult to make the finals and lose than to not make it in the first place. These topics are done to death and you have added nothing to the argument...an argument that shouldnt exist in the first place if people could be the least bit honest on the matter.

Stop spamming bullshit repeat topics. Like 3 of these "Is it better or worse to lose early?" topics are made a week. Granted...you only talk about two players so I suppose its difficult for you to post anything that isnt done to death....but you dont even try.

yes it is much much much more impressive to make the finals and lose than lose in the 1st round

but that doesnt change the fact that you should have a winning record at every level

especially if youre getting to that level a bunch of times

[mjokc]

[Kblaze8855]

Honestly...here are 3 of these topics from this week:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=374856


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=375398

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=374840



Which doesnt even count several that get deleted.

You are in those topics having this argument already.

What the ****?

[kennethgriffin]

lebrons 3 finals losses would be looked at as somewhat of an accomplishment had he won 4 finals in 7 overall appearances



and we need topics like these because some people are still clueless that there are 2 sides to the equation and its never an absolute

[T_L_P]

The way I look at it: if you're good enough to make it to the Finals, you're good enough to win it all.

Unless of course you play in a much weaker conference, ala LeBron.