Tim Duncan Is About To Break An Amazing Record.

[TheFan]

Jlauber, you just throwing random facts around...
so whats your point? those are exceptions not the rule.. and Kobe dropped 33 on Jordan as 19 years old... and then kobe destroyed Jordan wizards for 55 points... and Jordan a player with skills similar to nowadays game dropped 60+ over veteran Celtics team in the playoff...
so what?

The game has evolved, you can't extrapolate performance directly into this era... there is more information about a certain player, coaches know what are the preferred shooting spots for a given player, if you are a bad shooter from the elbow, guess what shot defense will allow you to take?

Its simple, whats so hard to understand? If Wilt Chamberlain played in this era, he wouldn't be averaging 40pts-20rbs-10blks, its that simple, he would be a great player, maybe the best in the league, but averaging numbers more according to this era... something like prime Patrick Ewing numbers... whats the unintelligible part?

[Punpun]

so what?

Kobe is clearly above Jordan. Thank you TheFan for proving that statement through the "Jlauber Method".

[CavaliersFTW]

whatever happened to the jlauber vs millwad video?

[jlauber]

Nope. You could only state that KAJ is the best Center ever. And arguably the best player ever.

It's different Jlauber.

Oh wait, now you're claiming Moses was better than KAJ. It's just straight up hilarious.

Once again, THURMOND reduced Kareem DRAMATICALLY. This wasn't a RANDOM set of games. The two faced off in 43 H2H games (and by most accounts, one-on-one.) Kareem SELDOM scored 30 points on Nate (and, in fact, had as many games UNDER 20, as he did over 30...SEVEN.) Not only that, but he was holding Kareem to under 45% in the vast majority of those H2H's. And this was a PRIME Kareem. In three straight playoff series, from 70-71, thru 72-73, Kareem shot .486, .428, and .405 (yes .405, in a series in which Thurmond outscored and outshot him.) His HIGH game against Thurmond...in 43 H2H's...was 34 points.

Now, how about a PRIME "scoring" Chamberlain? In a span of 11 STRAIGHT H2H's, from their last H2H in '65, thru nine H2H's in '66, and into their first H2H in '67 (which was a year after Wilt's last "scoring" season), Chamberlain AVERAGED 30 ppg against Thurmond, which included games of 30, 33, 33, 34, 38, and 45 points. And he was abusing Nate in those games, too...outscoring him 33-17, 33-10, 38-15 and 45-13.

In Wilt's three post-season encounters with Thurmond, he outshot Nate by margins of .500 to .392, .550 to .398, and a staggering .560 to .343. He also POUNDED Thurmond on the glass in every one of those series, and in nearly every game.

As for the Moses-Kareem matchups...whether they defended each other or not (and yes, they did)...Moses was by FAR the more dominant player in their 40 (yes, 40 H2H's.) And, he was even MORE dominant in their seven playoff H2H's.

I wouldn't rank Moses over Kareem, but it must be noted that Moses held a 3-1 edge over Kareem in MVPs during their careers in the NBA at the same time, and he battered Kareem H2H in the one year in which Kareem outvoted him.

[Horatio33]

JLauber once again sucking the fun and life out of a thread. Nice one.

[LBJMVP]

So, in other words, about every 20-25 years we should shred the record books and start over?

As for blocked shots, Wilt played in 160 post-season games, so there is a good chance that he blocked AT LEAST 1000 shots, and perhaps as many as 1500.

wilt was goaltending the f*ck outta balls back then.
most of his points would probly be taken away from all the offessive goaltending he did.

[Legends66NBA7]

whatever happened to the jlauber vs millwad video?

Got Young Jlauber vs Old Jlauber instead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmHJuifYlbY

[jlauber]

Jlauber, you just throwing random facts around...
so whats your point? those are exceptions not the rule.. and Kobe dropped 33 on Jordan as 19 years old... and then kobe destroyed Jordan wizards for 55 points... and Jordan a player with skills similar to nowadays game dropped 60+ over veteran Celtics team in the playoff...
so what?

The game has evolved, you can't extrapolate performance directly into this era... there is more information about a certain player, coaches know what are the preferred shooting spots for a given player, if you are a bad shooter from the elbow, guess what shot defense will allow you to take?

Its simple, whats so hard to understand? If Wilt Chamberlain played in this era, he wouldn't be averaging 40pts-20rbs-10blks, its that simple, he would be a great player, [COLOR="DarkRed"]maybe the best in the league[/COLOR], but averaging numbers more according to this era... something like prime Patrick Ewing numbers... whats the unintelligible part?

THAT is my point. You and many other's just throw out Chamberlain's numbers, (and I gave you a great example of Wilt's rebounding in his LAST post-season), but then you acknowledge that he might be the best in the league.

Would he average a 40-20-10? Not likely, but a 35-18-6 would not be unbelieveable either...especially given the fact that we had Kobe with a 35 ppg season only a few years ago (and Shaq with a 30 ppg season a dozen years ago),...while just two years ago a 6-9 Kevin Love averaged 15.2 rpg in 36 mpg...and just this past year Ibaka averaged 3.7 bpg in 27 mpg.

[jlauber]

wilt was goaltending the f*ck outta balls back then.
most of his points would probly be taken away from all the offessive goaltending he did.

You do realize that both offensive and defensive goal-tending were illegal BEFORE Chamberlain ever stepped foot into the NBA, don't you?

[Psileas]

It was definite that this would be a(n) (anti-)Wilt thread, as are most threads about "records".

Wilt blocked 33 shots in the last 4 games of the 1972 WCF against Kareem's Bucks (you know, that center from the era when "guards averaged 20 rpg", but this center for some reason never managed to ). He also blocked 72 shots in the first 10 games of the 1973 postseason, at the age of 36+ (including 23 in 3 games against the Warriors of Nate Thurmond and Rick Barry). Give Wilt only these 14 games and he already stands at #56 in the All-Time list, lol. Hell, give Wilt only the games his team faced HOF or even top-50 GOAT player level centers, and he'd be at or very close to the #1 of the all-time list.

[jlauber]

JLauber once again sucking the fun and life out of a thread. Nice one.

I merely challenged the OP's take that Duncan is about to break a so-called "record", when we really don't KNOW...and in fact, based on the information we do have, is probably not even close to the REAL record.

[LJJ]

Got Young Jlauber vs Old Jlauber instead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmHJuifYlbY

The companion post smackdown in that link is best of all.

[Legends66NBA7]

It was definite that this would be a(n) (anti-)Wilt thread, as are most threads about "records".

Wilt blocked 33 shots in the last 4 games of the 1972 WCF against Kareem's Bucks (you know, that center from the era when "guards averaged 20 rpg", but this center for some reason never managed to). He also blocked 72 shots in the first 10 games of the 1973 postseason, at the age of 36+ (including 23 in 3 games against the Warriors of Nate Thurmond and Rick Barry). Give Wilt only these 14 games and he already stands at #56 in the All-Time list, lol. Hell, give Wilt only the games his team faced HOF or even top-50 GOAT player level centers, and he'd be at or very close to the #1 of the all-time list.

Great stuff.

[jlauber]

It was definite that this would be a(n) (anti-)Wilt thread, as are most threads about "records".

Wilt blocked 33 shots in the last 4 games of the 1972 WCF against Kareem's Bucks (you know, that center from the era when "guards averaged 20 rpg", but this center for some reason never managed to ). He also blocked 72 shots in the first 10 games of the 1973 postseason, at the age of 36+ (including 23 in 3 games against the Warriors of Nate Thurmond and Rick Barry). Give Wilt only these 14 games and he already stands at #56 in the All-Time list, lol. Hell, give Wilt only the games his team faced HOF or even top-50 GOAT player level centers, and he'd be at or very close to the #1 of the all-time list.

Chamberlain also had a known 17 blocks in three games, of a five game series, against the Bucks in the '71 playoffs, and 8 of them were against Kareem. And, the recaps credited Chamberlain with "numerous" blocks in game two of that series.

Of those 33 known blocks in the '72 WCF's , covering four of the six games, against the Bucks, Wilt had 15 just against Kareem.

So, in the known seven of the 11 playoff games against the Bucks in '71 and '72, Chamberlain had 50 blocked shots...and 23 were against Kareem. And, that does not include the "numerous" blocks in game two of the '71 WCF's, nor any of his blocks in the other two games.

I believe ThaRegul8r had Chamberlain at over 7 bpg in the '72 Finals (and Wilt either had 9 or 10 in the clinching game five win.) So, I am pretty confident, then, that in his five Finals games, he had at least 35 blocks.

So that means that we now have Chamberlain with at LEAST 50 blocks in the two WCF's against the Bucks, and 35 more in the '72 Finals. Add in your 72 known blocks in the first ten playoff games of '73, and he now has at LEAST 157...just in a TOTAL of 22 playoff games.

I'm sure we could dig up quite a few more, but just off the top of my head, Wilt had 12 blocks in game one of the '67 ECF's (a QUAD double game of 24-32-13-12.) He also had seven blocks in the clinching game five of that series (a 29-36-13-7 game.) That brings his known totals to 176 in 24 playoff games.

I believe he was alson credited with 11 blocks in game seven of the '70 playoff series against the Suns (a 30-27-11 game) in a comeback from a 3-1 series deficit. So, now we are up to 187 known blocks in just 25 playoff games (7.5 bpg), and most all of them in the latter part of his career (with the exceptions of those two games in the '67 ECF's.)

Keep in mind that Wilt played in 160 post-season games, and yet, in just 25 of those games, he is already up to 187 known (or reasonably well known) career blocks....which now moves him up to...get this...19th ALL-TIME.

Then, think about this...those 187 blocks would put him 289 behind the all-time leader (Kareem, and in 237 games.) So, all Wilt would have had to have averaged in his 135 other post-season games, was 2.2 bpg to have had a career record of 484.

I'm sure you and I could dig up other known playoff games in which Chamberlain recorded blocks, too. I have even read recaps in which he blocked four shots within a matter of seconds...and in games in which there was no known total.

The real question then, would be, how many blocks did Russell have in his 165 post-season games,. and whether or not, he, or Chamberlain, are the ACTUAL leaders? In any case, it is a 99.9% certainty that they are #1 and #2 all-time.

[Big#50]

I merely challenged the OP's take that Duncan is about to break a so-called "record", when we really don't KNOW...and in fact, based on the information we do have, is probably not even close to the REAL record.

We all know Wilt blocked 1,000 shots in the playoffs. This thread is for Tim.