A dozen reasons why Lbj>MJ In any era.

[Kvnzhangyay]

It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.

-William G. McAdoo

This goes both ways.

[3ball]

How could MJ dominate Magic or let Magic win FMVP when Pippen was the one guarding Magic in the 1991 Finals?

It's ignorant to be unaware that Jordan was Magic's primary defender:



[color="navy"]DEFENSIVE ASSIGNMENTS BY QUARTER, 1991 FINALS:[/color]

[color="darkred"]Pippen guarded Magic for:[/color]

GAME 1: none
GAME 2: 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters
GAME 3: 2nd and 3rd quarters
GAME 4: the last 4 minutes of 4th quarter
GAME 5: none


[color="darkred"]Here's all 5 games in their entirety:[/color]

Game 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S73sVQC6QD4
Game 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZR9PG13cuQ
Game 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKm8oB7QM1w
Game 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfjVFGzAbXw
Game 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNYd8DeKbqE

[COLOR="Navy"]Overall, MJ guarded Magic for 14 of 20 quarters (70%), compared to only 6 of 20 for Pippen (30%) [/COLOR].

Durant averaged 30.6, 6 rebounds and 2.2 assists.

LeBron averaged 28.6, 10.2 rebounds and 7.4 assists.

Exactly - so Lebron has never dominated another all-time great in a head-to-head matchup like Jordan did:


[COLOR="DarkRed"]Jordan 1991 Finals[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 31/7/11 on 56%
[COLOR="Indigo"]Magic[COLOR="White"]I[/COLOR] 1991 Finals[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 19/7/12 on 43%

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Jordan[COLOR="White"]I[/COLOR] 1992 Finals[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36 ppg on 53%
[COLOR="Indigo"]Drexler 1992 Finals[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 25 ppg on 42%



NOW THAT'S THOROUGH DOMINATION OF ANOTHER ALL-TIME GREAT.
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[Hey Yo]

It's ignorant to be unaware that Jordan was Magic's primary defender:



[color="navy"]DEFENSIVE ASSIGNMENTS BY QUARTER, 1991 FINALS:[/color]

[color="darkred"]Pippen guarded Magic for:[/color]

GAME 1: none
GAME 2: 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters
GAME 3: 2nd and 3rd quarters
GAME 4: the last 4 minutes of 4th quarter
GAME 5: none


[color="darkred"]Here's all 5 games in their entirety:[/color]

Game 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncUC9fSFdik
Game 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S6AWPT6fG0
Game 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cueGQChyFuU
Game 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO0LJVxaqD0
Game 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCNFQSBUe5c

[COLOR="Navy"]Overall, MJ guarded Magic for 14 of 20 quarters (70%), compared to only 6 of 20 for Pippen (30%) [/COLOR]

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YT links are private. Need some proof of your claims cause I got:

"However, things changed in Game 2 when the Bulls discovered a new defensive stopper. Pippen switched over onto Johnson after Jordan picked up his second personal foul in the first quarter and did an outstanding job on the Lakers' star, pestering him into 4-for-13 shooting.

[3ball]

YT links are private. Need some proof of your claims cause I got:

[COLOR="Red"]fixed the links - they work now[/COLOR]



[color="navy"]DEFENSIVE ASSIGNMENTS BY QUARTER, 1991 FINALS:[/color]

[color="darkred"]Pippen guarded Magic for:[/color]

GAME 1: none
GAME 2: 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters
GAME 3: 2nd and 3rd quarters
GAME 4: the last 4 minutes of 4th quarter
GAME 5: none


[color="darkred"]Here's all 5 games in their entirety:[/color]

Game 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S73sVQC6QD4
Game 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZR9PG13cuQ
Game 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKm8oB7QM1w
Game 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfjVFGzAbXw
Game 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNYd8DeKbqE

[COLOR="Navy"]Overall, MJ guarded Magic for 14 of 20 quarters (70%), compared to only 6 of 20 for Pippen (30%) [/COLOR].

[TheWinningFam]

[COLOR="Red"]fixed the links - they work now[/COLOR]



[color="navy"]DEFENSIVE ASSIGNMENTS BY QUARTER, 1991 FINALS:[/color]

[color="darkred"]Pippen guarded Magic for:[/color]

GAME 1: none
GAME 2: 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters
GAME 3: 2nd and 3rd quarters
GAME 4: the last 4 minutes of 4th quarter
GAME 5: none


[color="darkred"]Here's all 5 games in their entirety:[/color]

Game 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S73sVQC6QD4
Game 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZR9PG13cuQ
Game 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKm8oB7QM1w
Game 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfjVFGzAbXw
Game 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNYd8DeKbqE

[COLOR="Navy"]Overall, MJ guarded Magic for 14 of 20 quarters (70%), compared to only 6 of 20 for Pippen (30%) [/COLOR].

MJ wasn't dominating Magic H2H cause Pippen was the one guarding Magic after game 1.

Bulls lose game 1 playing MJ ball, win 4 straight after that cause MJ can concentrate on the offense and not guard Magic.[/QUOTE]

[diamenz]

you're a joke and your arguments are shit, op.

you idiots think jordan would get "killed" in this era. who has time to waste on you fu.cks?

[Dragonyeuw]

MJ wasn't dominating Magic H2H cause Pippen was the one guarding Magic after game 1.

Bulls lose game 1 playing MJ ball, win 4 straight after that cause MJ can concentrate on the offense and not guard Magic.

[/QUOTE]

So what was the alternative? MJ stay on Magic and Pippen carry the offense? Do you think Pippen required that much defensive attention that John Paxson would be left wide open to go for 20 points in the deciding game? Believe me, if MJ was only needed to be a scoring compliment( which was Pip's role on offense), and concentrate more on defense how much pressure do you think he would have been put on Magic just bringing the ball up-court?

[RealSkipBayless]

Spot on OP


Jordan must of been cunning as fvck to cross up the likes of Kevin Johnson only to have help "twin towers" D in Barkley and Majerley waiting in the paint

[Keno]

this should be stickied, all great and valid points with solid evidence and backup.

[Bronbron23]

Jordan would be demar/kobe in today's game.

[COLOR="Red"]1.[/COLOR] Kobe and demar derozan are good examples of what jordan would look like in todays era except kobe was a BETTER three point shooter than jordan...

[FONT="Arial"]Kobe was somewhat efficient from mid range because [COLOR="Red"]he had decent three point shooting ability that forced defenders to guard him close[/COLOR], and when they did he had a GOAT fadeaway shot kobe being a better 3 point career shooter than jordan in the modern era proves so.[/FONT]




[COLOR="Red"]2.[/COLOR] [FONT="Arial Black"]In todays nba Jordan would be forced to either [COLOR="Red"]A. make double teamed fadeaway jumpshots the most inefficient shots in the modern era, or B make fadeaway threes like those seen above..[/COLOR]
Jordan had the luxury of not having to face top class defenders + less effective no zone defenses. All of this in a SLOWER PACED nba spacing era, Jordan would be less efficient due to lesser amount of possessions and ability to catch the defense off guard with fast play.[/FONT]

[COLOR="Red"]3.[/COLOR]What jordan's game would look like in the modern era:

[FONT="Arial"][COLOR="Red"]Even in a more spaced era, teams can easily shadow double team a player and jordan would be forced to make tough fadeaway shots that would only be worth 2 points because he couldn't make threes. Midrange chucking in today's era doesn't work because 3>2 no matter how good you are as a mid range shooter its no better than dunking at the rim, they are all worth 2 points[/COLOR]
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[COLOR="Red"]4.[/COLOR]The 90s:



That extra 1.6 points allowed per 100 possessions and extra 3.1 possessions per game in Jordan's era can easily provide 1.5-2 points extra and a bit higher TS% in the playoffs. It represents a roughly 5% inflation in stats.


[COLOR="Red"]5.[/COLOR][FONT="Arial"]otoh, [COLOR="Green"]With Lebron's playmaking scoring and defensive upgrades[/COLOR] the portland trailblazers would probably win in 6 vs the bulls in 92. REMEMBER Lebron has NEVER lost when he was 48 mins from a championship. jordan HAS TWICE.
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[COLOR="Red"]6.[/COLOR]Clyde's 92 finals stats 24/7/3
[COLOR="Green"]Lebron's 16 Finals stats: 30/11/9[/COLOR]
Jordan's 92 finals stats: 34/4/6
[COLOR="Red"]7.[/COLOR][FONT="Arial"][COLOR="Green"]Lebron's superior playmaking assists and rebounding numbers would make up for the measly 4 point advantage that jordan retained. we know this because an assist is ALWAYS ATLEAST worth 2 points, an assist is always more valuable face value wise than points alone. Not to mention lebron also was the main anchor on defense, otoh jordan benefited from the defense of Scottie Pippen.
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[COLOR="Red"]7.[/COLOR]And dont forget, GOAT DEFENSE



[COLOR="Red"]8.[/COLOR][FONT="Arial"]If clyde averages 6 more points 4 more rebounds and 6 more assists the trailblazers win in 6 over the bulls keep in mind drexler had a BETTER supporting cast than lebron, he had 3 other 13+ point scorers otoh, lebron only had 1 and that was due to the gs defense keying in on lebron.

[COLOR="Red"]9.[/COLOR] Take the 3 because it takes pressure off of you and allows you to get more open. With only 1 other viable scorer teams can double team in on you. This is what allowed kyrie to score more than he usually would.[/FONT]

[COLOR="Red"]10.[/COLOR][FONT="Arial"][COLOR="Green"]Lebron having to be the cav's best rim protector, rebounder, playmaker, ball handler, AND anchor the defense, ALL WHILE BEING THE OTHER TEAMS MAIN DEFENSIVE FOCUS POINT speaks volumes[/COLOR], Jordan never had this type of load in any of his finals as he could rely on pippen for defense, and later rodman for rebounds. All jordan had to do was go out and score, anything else was just icing on the cake..[/FONT]

[COLOR="Red"]11.[/COLOR]If lebron had to be lebron consistently had a good team around him you would see more games like game 6 boston, and the back to back 41 point games agianst the warriors, he cant because he has to do other things or his teams collapse.

[COLOR="Red"]12.[/COLOR][FONT="Arial"]Lebron is actually a better scorer and shooter and closer, when it matters most.[/FONT]



[FONT="Arial"]Lebron is the GOAT in elimination games and game 7s..
Elimination games usually come down to 1 thing, and that's getting buckets and no other player on the planet does it better than your highness, lebron himself.If its game 7, you take lebron over anyone hands down, he just cant let you down, Otoh, jordan has lost multiple times when having the chance to clinch a series or championship..[/FONT]

Dude a slow less skilled and athletic version of mj has been getting the better of lebron since he came in the league. What are you talking about?

[TheMan]

this should be stickied, all great and valid points with solid evidence and backup.

You're easily one of the lowest IQ posters here...quite impressive to say the least.

[FKAri]

[color="darkred"]Here's all 5 games in their entirety:[/color]

Game 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S73sVQC6QD4
Game 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZR9PG13cuQ
Game 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKm8oB7QM1w
Game 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfjVFGzAbXw
Game 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNYd8DeKbqE

The most useful post 3ball ever made. Unfortunately only game 3 is up.

[3ball]

The most useful post 3ball ever made. Unfortunately only game 3 is up.

I shouldn't have to post the links. anyone can search for 1991 NBA Finals Game 1, Game 2, etc... and the latest (not banned) versions of those games will pop up

and they show that Pippen didn't guard Magic in Game 1 or 5.. he only guarded him for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarters of Game 2; the 2nd and 3rd quarters of Game 3; and the last 4 minutes of Game 4.. that's 6 of 20 quarters, while MJ guarded him 14 of 20 plus the pivotal Game 2 overtime that MJ dominated while Pippen fouled out in regulation

MJ was the primary defender on Magic, and while Magic was tough for MJ, Lebron's non-posting ass would be much easier and a more predictable up-and-down driver

[Manny98]

What a post 10/10

LeBron > MJ the truth is becoming clearer by the day

[3ball]

What a post 10/10

LeBron > MJ the truth is becoming clearer by the day

10/10?

go read #8 in the OP and you might want to revise your statement