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National High School Star
Reasons why Barkley might be the greatest offensive player of all time
1. 28.3ppg on 16.0fga. 66.5%ts. 128 Ortg. GOAT efficiency for a volume scorer.
2. Sure, plenty of players scored more personally, but how many players did so while also lifting team mates to the extent that Barkley did?
Here's a list of players who scored more ppg alongside Barkley than at any other point in their careers.
- Maurice Cheeks
- Hersey Hawkins
- Johnny Dawkins
- Mike Gminski
- Ron Anderson
- Armen Gilliam
Other players who's scoring went up when they joined Barkley and immediately dropped again when they were separated.
- Rick Mahorn
- Ricky Green
The above list is basically everyone he played with from 88 to 92. Barkley's presence on court enabled every single player to score more. No one's scoring took a dip. Not even a marginal one. Everyone he played with had their career years with him. That is the kind of impact that stats don't capture. I dare say it's unprecedented.
3. Barkley led teams, with above group of misfits at options 2 through 5, to the 2nd best offense in the league in back to back years. Only behind the Showtime Lakers. When he moved to the suns, they had the #1 offense in the league 3 straight years.
Has anyone else ever had this level of offensive team impact?
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I go HAM
Re: Reasons why Barkley might be the greatest offensive player of all time
Pretty sure he had the GOAT single season for ORtg - DRtg = net, all time
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wet brain
Re: Reasons why Barkley might be the greatest offensive player of all time
them PHX boys something else
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Very good NBA starter
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Reasons why Barkley might be the greatest offensive player of all time
In terms of offensive impact Barkley is the greatest out of PF/C
But in terms of all time i have Curry,LeBron,Jordan,Nash and Magic ahead of Barkley
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ISH vigilant
Re: Reasons why Barkley might be the greatest offensive player of all time
Originally Posted by Manny98
In terms of offensive impact Barkley is the greatest out of PF/C
But in terms of all time i have Curry,LeBron,Jordan,Nash and Magic ahead of Barkley
Lol at having Lebron up with Curry and Jordan.
Keep this thread about Barkley, kid.
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Re: Reasons why Barkley might be the greatest offensive player of all time
Originally Posted by AussieSteve
1. 28.3ppg on 16.0fga. 66.5%ts. 128 Ortg. GOAT efficiency for a volume scorer.
2. Sure, plenty of players scored more personally, but how many players did so while also lifting team mates to the extent that Barkley did?
Here's a list of players who scored more ppg alongside Barkley than at any other point in their careers.
- Maurice Cheeks
- Hersey Hawkins
- Johnny Dawkins
- Mike Gminski
- Ron Anderson
- Armen Gilliam
Other players who's scoring went up when they joined Barkley and immediately dropped again when they were separated.
- Rick Mahorn
- Ricky Green
The above list is basically everyone he played with from 88 to 92. Barkley's presence on court enabled every single player to score more. No one's scoring took a dip. Not even a marginal one. Everyone he played with had their career years with him. That is the kind of impact that stats don't capture. I dare say it's unprecedented.
3. Barkley led teams, with above group of misfits at options 2 through 5, to the 2nd best offense in the league in back to back years. Only behind the Showtime Lakers. When he moved to the suns, they had the #1 offense in the league 3 straight years.
Has anyone else ever had this level of offensive team impact?
Point #2 is weak. For example, Dawkins only played 4 games. Anderson increased his minutes. Gminski had career high that one season but other seasons with Barkley wasn't as good. Did Barkley not lift him up anymore? Also we really gonna count Cheeks whose entire prime is playing with Barkley?
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Reasons why Barkley might be the greatest offensive player of all time
Originally Posted by Mr Feeny
Lol at having Lebron up with Curry and Jordan.
Keep this thread about Barkley, kid.
Title of the thread is Barkley might be the greatest offensive player ever which he isn't
The five players that i named are better than Barkley offensively
But i agree he's the GOAT offensive PF/C
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ISH vigilant
Re: Reasons why Barkley might be the greatest offensive player of all time
Originally Posted by Manny98
Title of the thread is Barkley might be the greatest offensive player ever which he isn't
The five players that i named are better than Barkley offensively
But i agree he's the GOAT offensive PF/C
He's great, offensively. I still think Shaq and Wilt make it difficult for him to be considered a better offensive player when it comes to PF/C. I'd limit it to PF.
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Re: Reasons why Barkley might be the greatest offensive player of all time
Barkley was what everyone hopes Zion will be (but won't).
Barkley had one offensive weakness: 3-point shooting.
Everything else was elite, including jump shooting out to the 3 point line.
If Barkley had simply an average 3 point shot, he'd be extremely difficult to defend today. Impossible to guard with this much spacing today.
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Banned
Re: Reasons why Barkley might be the greatest offensive player of all time
Never had a 50 point game in the regular season...never shot better than 33% from the 3pt line..but he's the GOAT offensive player...ok then
Harden >>> Barkley
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Reasons why Barkley might be the greatest offensive player of all time
Originally Posted by Mr Feeny
He's great, offensively. I still think Shaq and Wilt make it difficult for him to be considered a better offensive player when it comes to PF/C. I'd limit it to PF.
Shaq and Wilt don't elevate the entire offense like Barkley
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Embiid > Jokic
Re: Reasons why Barkley might be the greatest offensive player of all time
Originally Posted by Manny98
Shaq and Wilt don't elevate the entire offense like Barkley
Dirk?
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Wilt Davis
Re: Reasons why Barkley might be the greatest offensive player of all time
Originally Posted by Manny98
Shaq and Wilt don't elevate the entire offense like Barkley
So, it was Kobe who elevated the entire offense?
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Very good NBA starter
Re: Reasons wphy Barkley might be the greatest offensive player of all time
Originally Posted by BlakFrankWhite
Never had a 50 point game in the regular season...never shot better than 33% from the 3pt line..but he's the GOAT offensive player...ok then
Harden >>> Barkley
He had a 56 point game in the play-offs. And overall in a time where it was more physical and there was handchecking. Infact, in that 56 point game he was guarded pushing two hands on him by Gatling in some plays. He also had a 44 and 24 game and a 43-15-10 game. Healthy and Prime Barkley was something else!
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