The gap between 11' Dirk and his 2nd option... versus the gap between MJ and Pip

[3ball]

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11' Dirk'........ 27.7 ppg.. 25.2 PER.. 5.5 BPM.. 1.6 VORP.. 0.210 WS/48
11' Terry....... 17.5 ppg.. 20.3 PER.. 4.6 BPM.. 1.1 VORP.. 0.179 WS/48
GAP............... 10.2...........4.9.............1.1.......... 0.5............ 0.031

93' Jordan... 35.1 ppg.. 30.1 PER.. 11.6 BPM.. 2.9 VORP.. 0.270 WS/48
93' Pippen... 20.1 ppg.. 16.9 PER.... 2.0 BPM.. 0.8 VORP.. 0.083 WS/48
GAP.............. 15.0...........13.2............ 9.6........... 2.1............ 0.187

92' Jordan... 34.5 ppg.. 27.2 PER.... 9.9 BPM.. 2.8 VORP.. 0.216 WS/48
92' Pippen... 19.5 ppg.. 20.1 PER.... 6.6 BPM.. 2.0 VORP.. 0.168 WS/48
GAP.............. 15.0.............7.1............ 3.3........... 0.8............ 0.048

91' Jordan... 31.1 ppg.. 32.0 PER.. 14.6 BPM.. 2.9 VORP.. 0.333 WS/48
91' Pippen... 21.6 ppg.. 22.0 PER.... 6.5 BPM.. 1.5 VORP.. 0.197 WS/48
GAP................. 9.5..........10.0............ 1.4........... 0.6............ 0.136

96' Jordan... 30.7 ppg.. 26.7 PER.. 10.7 BPM.. 2.4 VORP.. 0.317 WS/48
96' Pippen... 16.9 ppg.. 19.4 PER.... 7.8 BPM.. 1.8 VORP.. 0.195 WS/48
GAP.............. 13.8.............7.3............ 2.9........... 0.6............ 0.122

97' Jordan... 31.1 ppg.. 27.1 PER.... 9.9 BPM.. 2.4 VORP.. 0.235 WS/48
97' Pippen... 19.2 ppg.. 18.1 PER.... 5.1 BPM.. 1.4 VORP.. 0.145 WS/48
GAP.............. 11.9.............9.1............ 4.8........... 1.0............ 0.090

98' Jordan... 32.4 ppg.. 28.1 PER.... 9.0 BPM.. 2.4 VORP.. 0.265 WS/48
98' Pippen... 16.8 ppg.. 19.4 PER.... 5.6 BPM.. 1.6 VORP.. 0.166 WS/48
GAP.............. 16.4.............8.7............ 3.4........... 0.8............ 0.095



Conclusion - Jordan had 6 carry-job rings that were far greater carry-jobs than 11' Dirk

[Roundball_Rock]

[Kblaze8855]

Jason Terry wasn’t the second best basketball player on that team. He was the second leading scorer. But I know you don’t make a distinction between ppg and basketball so....whatever. But put he and Chandler on the open market at the same time. See who gets a big offer first.

[Doranku]

. He was the second leading scorer. But I know you don’t make a distinction between ppg and basketball so....whatever. But put he and Chandler on the open market at the same time. See who gets a big offer first.

[3ball]

Jason Terry wasn’t the second best basketball player on that team. He was the second leading scorer. But I know you don’t make a distinction between ppg and basketball so....whatever. But put he and Chandler on the open market at the same time. See who gets a big offer first.

Terry was 2nd in the advanced stats like PER and WS/48

Kidd basically tied Terry in BPM and VORP, with no scoring while Terry was 2nd option

If we used a combination of Terry and Kidd - it makes no difference

Btw, Horace led pippen in everything for the 93' run, but I still went with pippen

[tpols]

Jason Terry wasn’t the second best basketball player on that team. He was the second leading scorer. But I know you don’t make a distinction between ppg and basketball so....whatever. But put he and Chandler on the open market at the same time. See who gets a big offer first.

Terry definitely played like the 2nd best player on the team. Tyson Chandler is nice but they didn't have anybody outside Dirk who could make a move besides Terry and Barea. With how Jet shot the ball, and how clutch he was when it mattered most... that's harder to replace than a poor man's rudy gobert. Tyson Chandler was a cast away before he joined Dallas.

I shit you not... in the 2010 playoffs, Tyson Chandler averaged 3/2.



Jason Kidd made Tyson Chandler... he bird fed him alley oops all day.

Jason Terry was better than him Kidd, and Marion all though they were all nice.

[3ball]

Guys, we're talking VORP, BPM, PER, and WS/48

Terry was 2nd in all of these stats, and ppg

edit: he was basically tied with Kidd in VORP and BPM

Regardless, it's actually MORE amazing that the gap between Dirk and low guys like Terry is smaller than the gap between MJ and a so-called star like pip... way smaller

[Phoenix]

Man, even Dirk is in the crosshairs.

[3ball]

Man, even Dirk is in the crosshairs.

Did you look at the numbers?

Dirk's run in 2011 is considered a carry-job, but his BPM was only 1.1 more than his sidekick, compared to 7-13 more for MJ in his 6 title runs

[RRR3]

Man, even Dirk is in the crosshairs.

No one is safe

[3ball]

Did you look at the numbers?

Dirk's run in 2011 is considered a carry-job, but his BPM was only 1.1 more than his sidekick, compared to 3-10 more for MJ in his 6 title runs

^^^ edit

and one of the stats is wrong in the OP.. the gap in bpm for 91 MJ/Pip is 8.1, not 1.4

[NBAGOAT]

Tysons defense was the difference maker for that team to get over the hump. And yea you’ve completely lost it even going after dirk now. I thought you be more secure

[Roundball_Rock]

Tysons defense was the difference maker for that team to get over the hump. And yea you’ve completely lost it even going after dirk now. I thought you be more secure

You are a smart guy. You expected him to be secure? He posts a daily thread dissing Pippen because he is insecure MJ didn't win without him and another daily thread dissing LeBron because he is insecure that LeBron may be the real GOAT.

[Kblaze8855]

Terry definitely played like the 2nd best player on the team. Tyson Chandler is nice but they didn't have anybody outside Dirk who could make a move besides Terry and Barea. With how Jet shot the ball, and how clutch he was when it mattered most... that's harder to replace than a poor man's rudy gobert. Tyson Chandler was a cast away before he joined Dallas.

I shit you not... in the 2010 playoffs, Tyson Chandler averaged 3/2.



Jason Kidd made Tyson Chandler... he bird fed him alley oops all day.

Jason Terry was better than him Kidd, and Marion all though they were all nice.

Jason Terry was better than Kidd at shooting and nothing else. Kidd was still guarding guys like KD and Lebron and Marion would have been hard to win that ring without too. They definitely don’t win without Chandler either.

Fans just just such trouble getting their heads around basketball not being purely a shooting contest. I’m betting coaches would go Dirk then Chandler or Kidd. Jason Kidd not shooting doesn’t mean he was straight role player status. He was doing like 12ppg on the Suns at one point.

[3ball]

Jason Terry was better than Kidd at shooting and nothing else. Kidd was still guarding guys like KD and Lebron and Marion would have been hard to win that ring without too. They definitely don’t win without Chandler either.

Fans just just such trouble getting their heads around basketball not being purely a shooting contest. I’m betting coaches would go Dirk then Chandler or Kidd. Jason Kidd not shooting doesn’t mean he was straight role player status. He was doing like 12ppg on the Suns at one point.

The OP is only going by the stats, aka BPM, PER, VORP and WS/48

Terry was 2nd in all of these stats, and ppg

edit: he was basically tied with Kidd in VORP and BPM

Regardless, it's actually MORE amazing that the gap between Dirk and low guys like Terry is smaller than the gap between MJ and a so-called star like pip... way smaller

Dirk's run in 2011 is considered a carry-job, but his BPM was only 1.1 more than his sidekick, compared to 3-10 more for MJ in his 6 title runs