Rookie Tim Duncan vs. Rookie Blake Griffin

[ballinhun8]

Why do you keep saying the Spurs are done???



I think this is where your clippers mentality comes in. Successful franchises like the Spurs don't just go away and rebuild for 10 years like other bad teams. They consistently find gems in the draft no matter where they select and can attract FAs that are afterthoughts thY fit their system.


This is where having a great coach in Pop helps out. You better hope VDN doesn't **** this up. Rose became a MVP and changed his whole game after he left.

[impact145]

rookie tim duncan without a doubt,duncan was more skilled,he relied on his skilled rather then his athleticism,blake griffin is still raw,still needs to work on some things.

[Droid101]

Not real close.


One led his team to do a 180 and get back in the playoffs.

You are a joke. David Robinson returning from injury did the "180." They were firmly in the playoffs the season before D.Rob went down.

[L.Kizzle]

As far as we know, Blake is Walt Bellamy. Hi scoring rookie on a suck team who made the all star team.

[Micku]

Rookie year? Duncan.

Mainly because he played better defense. He made the nba all 2nd defensive team that year. And he was more efficient on the offense. Duncan was pretty explosive back then, but Blake Griffin is more so. Regardless, Blake is a stud and has a lot of potential. Especially since he and CP3 could turn the Clippers around into something relevant if healthy. Best thing to happen to them in a while.

[Fiasco]

You are a joke. David Robinson returning from injury did the "180." They were firmly in the playoffs the season before D.Rob went down.

Bingo.

[HylianNightmare]

gimme tim

[Tha Catalyst]

Odinn Duncan was nearly the same in terms of scoring consistently. Nowhere near the explosive scorer Griffin is. Compare Griffin's highest scoring games to Duncan's and you'll see. I suppose pace adjusted it's fair to say they are equal scorers in terms of numbers+consistency. Funny thing is Duncan had a midrange jumper and impressive arsenal yet people think Griffin only dunks.... yet somehow Griffin managed to score over a ppg more as a rookie.

Reality here is Duncan's success was a combination of him, the Spurs system and always being surrounded with top shelf teammates. Let's see how Griffin does next to Paul. I think 25 ppg, 13 rpg and 4+ apg this year is not out of the question. If he also improved his defense and shot that will rival prime Duncan, or at least be close. IN HIS SECOND SEASON. It's scary because Duncan's growth from rookie to prime wasn't that significant. Griffin's growth from college to end of his rookie season was much greater.

This dude is being compared to Duncan and he's RAW. Imagine when Griffin becomes more controlled and refined? If Griffin wins at least 2 rings with the Clippers and stays healthy, stays with Chris Paul his entire career.. he will be recognized as the greatest PF of all time. Greater than Duncan... greater than Malone... greater than Barkley.

What!!! Duncan never played with a Chris Paul caliber player and he won 4 titles and 3 FMVP's along with 2 MVP's and many all defensive team selections. Griffin will not overtake Duncan with 2 titles, why would he. Same as Wade would not overtake Bryant with another title. I hate that the players I grew up idolizing are being severely underrated. Why is it if the new generation achieve significantly less that they should be remembered as better players? Who creates this BS logic? There is every chance that none of this new generation of players (Lebron, Wade, Griffin, Durant, Rose) ever reach the Bryant/Duncan/Shaq all-time status. Lebron is the only one I give any chance of reaching top-10 all time. Griffin is not necessarily more talented than Barkley, and will need 3-4 titles along with at least 2 MVPs (at least 2 if he isn't making all defensive teams) to reach the top 10. Being one of the best players of all time is so prestigious because it isn't easy, every 'next big thing' will not reach that level, actually a very high percentage fail to reach those levels despite having very successful careers.

Sorry about the rant, just pay Tim Duncan the respect he deserves as when it is all said and done, he will most likely sit above Wade/Griffin/Rose whoever when it is done. Start comparing their all time ratings when said players have achieved even half of what he has done. Thankyou.

[Big#50]

Blake Griffin is an athletic freak. LoL but you guys are actually saying he is a better rebounder. Duncan was never have an empty stats type of guy. Come on, ISH, stop letting teens make accounts.

[SCdac]

Griffin will not overtake Duncan with 2 titles, why would he.

Because he plays for the clippers, and clippers fans are like on cloud 9 right now (not that they shouldnt be), and the mere teaming up of Griffin and Paul means that they're going to be swimming in rings, and because it'll look flashy while it's happening it must mean that they're leaving every other great player in the dust. blah blah blah... Duncan won his first two rings with point guards of 33 year old Avery Johnson and a 19 year old Parker... For Griffin, it'll take arguably the best point guard in the game, somebody who could potentially win MVP in his own right, or a Finals MVP if they got there ... Yet, somehow, that's going to make Griffin the GOAT PF

[Deuce Bigalow]

Because he plays for the clippers, and clippers fans are like on cloud 9 right now (not that they shouldnt be), and the mere teaming up of Griffin and Paul means that they're going to be swimming in rings, and because it'll look flashy while it's happening it must mean that they're leaving every other great player in the dust. blah blah blah... Duncan won his first two rings with point guards of 33 year old Avery Johnson and a 19 year old Parker... For Griffin, it'll take arguably the best point guard in the game, somebody who could potentially win MVP in his own right, or a Finals MVP if they got there ... Yet, somehow, that's going to make Griffin the GOAT PF

Tim's had David Robinson, Bruce Bowen, Manu Ginobili, and Tony Parker for his career

[SCdac]

Tim's had David Robinson, Bruce Bowen, Manu Ginobili, and Tony Parker for his career

Tim had some great teams... (he MADE most of them great)

did he play with a player the calibre of Chris Paul in his second year? No.

Robinson - 33 - 16 ppg
Elliott ----- 30 - 11 ppg
Avery ----- 33 - 10 ppg
Elie ------- 35 - 10 ppg
Jackson --- 31 - 6 ppg
Kerr ------- 33 - 4 ppg
Kersey ---- 36 - 3 ppg

those are the guys who played the most minutes in Duncan's first championship (his second season)...

Call me crazy, but I don't see Griffin and his raw skills and lack of defensive impact taking that team to a title, let alone sweeping a team with Shaq-Kobe and nearly sweeping KG's team too.

Duncan went on to average 27.4 of the Spurs 84.8 ppg in the Finals.

Replace Avery or rookie Parker with Chris Paul (!) , and Duncan might have more than 4 rings.

Have to respect with Duncan accomplished. We're not talking "fantasy basketball" in which stats mean everything, it's kind of the opposite, it's how you get those stats, and what did they mean to the team.

[Legends66NBA7]

Tim's had David Robinson, Bruce Bowen, Manu Ginobili, and Tony Parker for his career

Robinson was on the downside of his career after that injyr and was gone by 2003, with not that much support in that championship run.
Bowen played one way and that was defense, wasn't there in 1999.
Manu was a rookie in 2003.
Parker was a 2nd year player by 2003.

None of these guys have been in the same time frame for each of those championship runs with Duncan for his "career". Duncan has been the flat out better player. Sure, in 2007 Finals MVP went to Parker, but nobody thinks he was the best player on that team.

You have to also factor in this: Duncan's presence has made both Manu and Parker better players for their careers.