Wow these numbers can not be true can they?? Is this real or fake?

[3ball]

3ball. Answer these 3 questions



1) Why did 1-9 happen with Jordan having 0 all-star teammates?


2) Why did LeBron win a championship in 2016 with 0 all star teammates?


3) Why did Jordan lose with an all-star in 1990 and 1995?

1) mj had no all-star teammates like lebron had in 05', so his team was the 8 seed facing the 1 seed, while lebron's all-star tandem were 1-4 seeds and had easier matchups

2) lebron had zero all-stars but 2 HOF teammates, while MJ won in 91' with zero all-stars and 1 HOF teammate..

3) MJ lost less with all-star help (only twice in 15 seasons), while lebron lost 7 in 15 seasons with all-stars (05, 09, 11, 14, 15, 17, and 18)
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[Phoenix]

WRONG. And I'll take it a step further to drown your hating ass

In 2011 Bosh put up monster numbers
19-7

If Bosh ever gave Bron 19-7 do you think he'd lose a Finals like Wade did?

To wrap this all up and to wrap YOU up

In 2011 Bosh put up
19-7 and they lost under Wade ball

In 2012 Bosh put up
14-9 wow and they won

In 2013 Bosh put up
12-9 wow and they won

So how did they manage to 'Wade-ball' themselves to the finals only for it to suddenly falter 2 wins from a title? There was no Wade-ball firstly, you inbreed. Wade and Lebron spent that season basically switching between 1a and 1b roles, not ideal but when you have 2 of the top 3 players in the league at that given moment and a top 20 player in Bosh, you can out-talent your way through. Which is basically what they did....up to the finals when Lebron didn't pull his weight. The Heat rose to champions because Wade, not Lebron, had the ability to transition to a different role which coincided with Lebron's peak as an overall player. If not, that could have ended up the most specularly failed experiment in recent history.

So, you can try and deflect from the reality of what happened till your little hearts content. FACTS are, the Heat were positioned to win the title in 2011 despite their roster flaws and came up short at the finish because Bron shrunk from the moment. Basically, the final year of what was Wade's peak got squandered because Lebron mentally hadn't figured it out yet. I'll remind you that Lebron joined Wade, not the other way around. It wasn't Wade who needed to learn what it took, mentality, to close the deal. The Heat, again, after 2011 were better OUTSIDE of Wade and Bosh roster-wise so they were able to withstand Wade's slow decline( he was still elite in 2012 and 2013 until he got injured) and still win and, if not for a Ray Allen miracle shot in game 6, they quite easily could have gone 1/4 during that run.

[Da_Realist]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...6&postcount=38

[3ball]

False becos LBJ obviously has best winnign stats. Welcome to basketball past 98 lol google 2016 Finals.

MJ's winning stats were better

Jordan 1991-1993 Playoffs:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 34/7/7
Lebron 12/13/16.. Playoffs:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27/9/7

Jordan 1991-1993 Finals:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36/7/8
Lebron 12/13/16.. Finals:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 28/10/7

On a single-series basis, we can debate mj's Finals record in 1993 versus lebron's 2016 until the cows come home (11 more ppg for mj)

39-8-8 on 49% are better losing stats than mj vs 86' celts

Magic had a better DefRtg then the Celtics that year.

Jordan's 44/6/6 is >>>

both teams had the league's #1 defense, but the Celtics were a top 5 team all-time, while the Magic weren't even top 100, literally

Secondly, it's a well-documented that Mike Brown put Lebron on scrub Courtney Lee to save energy so he would be fresh on offense

Finally, the Orlando series was a shootout - no defense was played, as both teams scored materially above their regular season ORtg's... Otoh, the Celtics were playing good D by holding the bulls below their normal ORtg.

Oh, one more thing - lebron hurt his team in the clutch by shooting just 68% from the line in the 4th, whereas MJ was pure icewater

No comparison - mj's 44 ppg was a record, and therefore goat
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[TheCorporation]

MJ's winning stats were better

Jordan 1991-1993 Playoffs:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 34/7/7
Lebron 12/13/16.. Playoffs:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27/9/7

Jordan 1991-1993 Finals:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36/7/8
Lebron 12/13/16.. Finals:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 28/10/7

Jordan's 44/6/6 is >>>

The Celtics were a top 5 team all-time, while the Magic weren't even top 100, literally

Secondly, it's a well-documented that Mike Brown put Lebron on scrub Courtney Lee to save energy so he would be fresh on offense

Finally, the Orlando series was a shootout - no defense was played, as both teams scored materially above their regular season ORtg's... Otoh, the Celtics were playing good D by holding the bulls below their normal ORtg.

Oh, one more thing - lebron hurt his team in the clutch by shooting just 68% from the line in the 4th, whereas MJ was pure icewater

No comparison

You are trying REALLY hard to convince the masses by using biased and opinionated information. It's really sad to see, so let me help you out for a moment so as to clarify your biased cluster funk of a post

-2009 Magic had a BETTER DRtg than 1986 Celtics (Fact)
-39-8-8 vs 44-6-6 is debatable but which team was a better defensive team is not
-You went from comparing a single run (86 MJ to 09 LBJ) to comparing a three year stint (12/13/16 LBJ to 91/2/93 MJ) which also makes no sense.
-Start making sense, for the love of god

These are just for starters. Get a grip and focus up.

[Da_Realist]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...6&postcount=38

^^ LeBron fans???

[3ball]

You are trying REALLY hard to convince the masses by using biased and opinionated information. It's really sad to see, so let me help you out for a moment so as to clarify your biased cluster funk of a post

-2009 Magic had a BETTER DRtg than 1986 Celtics (Fact)

Why are you arguing about who's #1 defense was better, when the celtics were a goat, warriors-level team while the magic were a nobody team???

Jordan's 44 against a goat team > lebron's 38 against the nobody magic.. period...

-You went from comparing a single run (86 MJ to 09 LBJ) to comparing a three year stint (12/13/16 LBJ to 91/2/93 MJ) which also makes no sense.

Who cares about losing playoff run stats - a lot of guys are in the running for that

But if you want to look at it, then mj's 1990 run of 37/7/7 compares with anything lebron did, like his 34/9/9 in 2018




And you had nothing to refute:

winning stats

Jordan 1991-1993 Playoffs:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 34/7/7
Lebron 12/13/16.. Playoffs:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27/9/7

Jordan 1991-1993 Finals:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36/7/8
Lebron 12/13/16.. Finals:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 28/10/7

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[Overdrive]

I found these pictures on the interweb but are they real or fake? Is it really true that only one player ever has done this things???







Are these numbers true becos I keep hearing a certain player was better but I dont see his name as #1 on these lists only one player wow

1-Lost that finals

2&3-Played more games

Lebron is the Karl Malone of the 2000s and 2010s. He just colluded so he wouldn't end up ringless.

[ImKobe]

Just imagine it, "not clutch" but having more game winners then Kobe and Jordan combined



If Bron aint clutch then what does that say about Jordan who has less game winners on less effciency?

Checkmate bruh

Lebron has ZERO game-winners/game-tying shots made in 9 NBA Finals, Jordan has at least three. We don't care about 1st round game-winners vs the ****ing 40-win Pacers.



gtfo with this fake stat.

[FKAri]

How could a team with 0 all-stars push a team to the brink while the GOAT at 24 years old got swept by that same team a round earlier? Michael Jordan is a fraud and a product of a marketing deal between David Stern and Nike.

[SwayDizzle]

Why so much hate for LJ? Dude isn

[Manny98]

[QUOTE=SwayDizzle]Why so much hate for LJ? Dude isn

[3ball]

How could a team with 0 all-stars push a team to the brink while the GOAT at 24 years old got swept by that same team a round earlier?

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The 08' Cavs had a better cast than the 86' bulls, since they went 7 games despite woat performance from Lebron, while the bulls were swept despite goat performance from mj

Lebron 26 on 35% = 7 games with Celts
Jordan 44 on 50% = swept by Celts

So the Cavs cast was WAY better.. they were a 45-win, 4 seed and defending conference champs, while mj's bulls were the 30-win, 8 seed and lottery team.. those bulls compared more to lebron's 9 seed in 05', not the 4 seed from 08'.
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[yeaaaman]

It's interesting that people (some) want to hold it against MJ that he was the best and that his teams were favoured to win....largely because of him, but apparenlty Lebron James, a GOAT candidate and a prime D-Wade and Prime Chris Bosh were underdogs against an OKC team led by a bunch of 21-23 year olds? How can that be true? What does that say about Lebron?

So now, the bar is for Jordan is that he should have to won championships out of the gate with the team he had, despite not jumping around to join up with other players of his choice... as if winning isn't the ultimate goal, which he's done at an incredibly high rate for his career.

So regardless of 1-9 and whatever context you want to throw in there for your own personal spin, he still later went 6-6 in the finals with 2, yes TWO Three-peats in the modern age. Even this OKC Warriors group isn't touching that, but they were the best team ever assembled and Lebron was able to slay them... when the didn't have Durant and Cousins...but they were still the best team ever, so the last 2 Warriors teams with FMVP Durant were worse than the Warriors Lebron beat without KD...

Oh yea, throw in Lebron having one more 30pt playoff game than MJ even though he's played 239 playoff games to MJ's 179 - oh yea, and Lebron did it all with ZERO help.

I can't keep up.

[bullettooth]

And Jordan is a 3 time 1st round loser whilst LeBron is unbeaten

Where would Jordan be without Pippen and Phil

6 finals losses.

Your homosexual fantasy is a loser.