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3-time NBA All-Star
Are there new moves that haven't been used yet? Or has everything been done?
Obviously someone, somewhere, might have done a "new" move at some point in time. But for the purposes of this discussion we're talking about widespread moves. Has everything been done already? Any new hooks or set shots or other old day moves that can be revived with a new twist?
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well well well
Re: Are there new moves that haven't been used yet? Or has everything been done?
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Re: Are there new moves that haven't been used yet? Or has everything been done?
Innovation will continue. We're not close to being done yet. There's different twists and details that can change current moves and there's surely new moves to be made altogether. There's been a ton of innovation and popularization within the last 10-15 years alone.
For an example, I recall seeing Doug Collins make a 360 jumpshot on ESPN's Greatest Games once. It look a long time for me to see a spinning non-dunk play like that again. Then I recall Vince Carter breaking off a clockwise 360 layup against LA during his Net years, and slowly but surely, it caught on - much smoother than anything Collins pulled off in that regard. Now we're looking at this:
But even beyond that, I think there's still tons of room for legitimate innovation, not mere refinement.
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NBA All-star
Re: Are there new moves that haven't been used yet? Or has everything been done?
Can't wait for the day someone does this in a game to avoid a block https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYdcDc8Yun0
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Re: Are there new moves that haven't been used yet? Or has everything been done?
Originally Posted by chazzy
I was actually going to bring that one up. There's been folks claiming that every dunk that could be done has already been done, dating back to, like, 1995.
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3-time NBA All-Star
Re: Are there new moves that haven't been used yet? Or has everything been done?
Originally Posted by Rake2204
Innovation will continue. We're not close to being done yet. There's different twists and details that can change current moves and there's surely new moves to be made altogether. There's been a ton of innovation and popularization within the last 10-15 years alone.
For an example, I recall seeing Doug Collins make a 360 jumpshot on ESPN's Greatest Games once. It look a long time for me to see a spinning non-dunk play like that again. Then I recall Vince Carter breaking off a clockwise 360 layup against LA during his Net years, and slowly but surely, it caught on - much smoother than anything Collins pulled off in that regard. Now we're looking at this:
But even beyond that, I think there's still tons of room for legitimate innovation, not mere refinement.
Good post. I can't wait to see what comes next tbh. Also that "scorpion dunk" is awesome, guys reaction at :12 is priceless
But I meant more in terms of "moves" rather than dunks - as a rule of thumb something Paul Pierce could do haha
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NBA All-star
Re: Are there new moves that haven't been used yet? Or has everything been done?
Dribbling backwards on a fastbreak and doing a 180
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Re: Are there new moves that haven't been used yet? Or has everything been done?
Originally Posted by oarabbus
But I meant more in terms of "moves" rather than dunks - as a rule of thumb something Paul Pierce could do haha
Yeah, I just thought the evolution of the dunk was comparable. People continue to find new ways to throw a ball into the goal. There's surely countless other means by which to play the game that we haven't discovered in every other aspect.
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Titles are overrated
Re: Are there new moves that haven't been used yet? Or has everything been done?
Originally Posted by Rake2204
Innovation will continue. We're not close to being done yet. There's different twists and details that can change current moves and there's surely new moves to be made altogether. There's been a ton of innovation and popularization within the last 10-15 years alone.
For an example, I recall seeing Doug Collins make a 360 jumpshot on ESPN's Greatest Games once. It look a long time for me to see a spinning non-dunk play like that again. Then I recall Vince Carter breaking off a clockwise 360 layup against LA during his Net years, and slowly but surely, it caught on - much smoother than anything Collins pulled off in that regard. Now we're looking at this:
But even beyond that, I think there's still tons of room for legitimate innovation, not mere refinement.
The 360 Layup was Phil fords signature move 35 years ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5bRLSq-1Mo
I didnt find the few he ever did...he did it all the time. He explained once that he wanted his own thing since he couldnt dunk...and he would set it up the same way most of the time.
Evolved into all kinds of jump stop layups and spin moves.
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College star
Re: Are there new moves that haven't been used yet? Or has everything been done?
Originally Posted by Rake2204
Innovation will continue. We're not close to being done yet. There's different twists and details that can change current moves and there's surely new moves to be made altogether. There's been a ton of innovation and popularization within the last 10-15 years alone.
For an example, I recall seeing Doug Collins make a 360 jumpshot on ESPN's Greatest Games once. It look a long time for me to see a spinning non-dunk play like that again. Then I recall Vince Carter breaking off a clockwise 360 layup against LA during his Net years, and slowly but surely, it caught on - much smoother than anything Collins pulled off in that regard. Now we're looking at this:
But even beyond that, I think there's still tons of room for legitimate innovation, not mere refinement.
Westphal did it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-RX1B_tF5c&t=8m40s
Phil Ford was doing it on the regular:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIlYHq4SE0M&t=1m50s
Dominique did it plenty:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roLAcLVfezM
Worthy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN0ruk2SJ2Q&t=4m29s
can't tell who this is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN0ruk2SJ2Q&t=2m26s
Seen plenty more but it's hard to (quickly) find...
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Re: Are there new moves that haven't been used yet? Or has everything been done?
Originally Posted by Kblaze8855
The 360 Layup was Phil fords signature move 35 years ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5bRLSq-1Mo
I didnt find the few he ever did...he did it all the time. He explained once that he wanted his own thing since he couldnt dunk...and he would set it up the same way most of the time.
Evolved into all kinds of jump stop layups and spin moves.
That's good stuff. I appreciate the knowledge.
And that kinda adds to the point. I think some new moves will evolve from scratch, but I also think other moves will simply evolve a little to appear newer (like that 360 layup) while more still may just be moves that have always been around but for some reason or another, didn't get used frequently.
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Re: Are there new moves that haven't been used yet? Or has everything been done?
Originally Posted by SHAQisGOAT
I think I failed to make my point clearly. I wasn't trying to say the play was never, ever completed. Rather, I was attempting to say that some plays that existed before, simply evolve and popularize as time goes on, often to the extent of appearing like a new move altogether. And then from there, sometimes they become more common, as it seems that layup has the past 10 years. I was not trying to say no one did it for a 30 year span, but I understand how it came across in that manner.
I'll fully 100% admit to this though: the moment I saw "Paul Westphal" in your links, I realized that it was his play I saw on ESPN's Greatest Games (the Boston Triple OT), not Doug Collins. Chalk it up as a subconscious mid-90's head coach slip. Such an insane shot, considering what was at stake and whatnot.
Last edited by Rake2204; 11-19-2014 at 06:48 PM.
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College star
Re: Are there new moves that haven't been used yet? Or has everything been done?
Pistol Pete was doing the Hakeem/Rondo/...-fakes way back, the behind-the-back fake pass on the regular before anybody else, Magic passes before Magic, so on and so on... Plenty of them you've seen duplicated and even becoming somebody else's "signature" move, but I don't think anybody else has ever done the wrist pass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qv0YS1wHoQ&t=1m35s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuiOBLkMKdk
Would've been cool to see somebody pull that every now and then during a game, even Maravich's slap passes on the break preceded by the fake slap(like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUcNUbl_meI)
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NBA Legend
Re: Are there new moves that haven't been used yet? Or has everything been done?
When the aliens inevitablly come and take over our planet, I am confident they will take basketball to the next level.
This era will be forgotten and everything asterisk'd with a "weak human era" tag.
jlauber/lazzerus descendents will still be hyping up Wilt tho as a superhuman who could compete in the modern era.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Are there new moves that haven't been used yet? Or has everything been done?
I'm still waiting on reverse granny free throws to become a thing in the NBA.
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