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Old 09-14-2019, 02:02 PM   #61
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What I know is that Curry's career isn't over yet. He has a claim to one of the best if not the best regular seasons ever. He has a claim to one of the best if not the best playoffs ever. He was on a team that was historically great by certain measures—and that was before another all-time great teamed up with him. Curry plays in the modern era. He's been playing in the tougher conference. I'm more impressed with Curry than LeBron who many say they believe is the best player they've ever seen. Curry isn't as reliant as other greats on getting a favorable whistle. Curry changed the game.
Curry having claim for the greatest playoff run ever, imagine legitimately believing this shit
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Old 09-14-2019, 02:43 PM   #62
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Post the playoffs for those years too.

Those are playoffs numbers.

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Curry having claim for the greatest playoff run ever, imagine legitimately believing this shit

Imagine thinking going to the finals 5 straight years through the Western Conference doesn't count towards playoff runs!
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Old 09-14-2019, 05:21 PM   #63
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Those are playoffs numbers.



Imagine thinking going to the finals 5 straight years through the Western Conference doesn't count towards playoff runs!
Curry has never had a year better then 90 or 91 MJ. He would have a good regular season then struggle in the playoffs or he would do the opposite.
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Old 09-14-2019, 06:09 PM   #64
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I disagreed above with Magic having had a better year and I'll disagree again now.

One of these is Curry 2017, one is Larry Bird 1986, and the other one is Magic Johnson 1987:

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Rk MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS 1 42.8 9.5 18.4 .517 1.3 .411 8.2 15.3 .538 .551 5.6 6.1 .927 1.9 7.4 9.3 8.2 2.1 0.6 2.6 3.1 25.9 2 35.4 8.9 18.4 .484 4.2 .419 4.6 8.2 .564 .599 6.1 6.7 .904 1.3 4.9 6.2 6.7 2.0 0.2 3.4 2.2 28.1 3 37.0 8.1 15.1 .539 0.1 .200 8.0 14.5 .552 .542 5.4 6.6 .831 1.6 6.2 7.7 12.2 1.7 0.4 2.8 2.1 21.8

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Rk PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 OBPM DBPM BPM VORP 1 23.9 .615 .169 .329 5.3 18.0 12.1 28.1 2.3 0.8 11.0 23.3 2.7 1.5 4.2 .263 6.8 3.5 10.3 2.4 2 27.1 .659 .551 .365 4.2 14.1 9.5 29.5 2.7 0.5 13.8 30.0 2.3 1.1 3.4 .272 9.1 1.7 10.8 2.0 3 26.2 .607 .037 .435 5.2 17.0 11.7 46.1 2.2 0.6 13.6 23.1 2.6 1.1 3.7 .265 6.7 3.1 9.7 2.0

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Morey had theories he borrowed from D'Antoni who could have borrowed them from Don Nelson. Unproven theories. What Curry did was show what could happen when they were applied to reality by someone capable of doing so.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...he-revolution/

With such a commanding showing Curry gave 3-point shooting and jumpshooting teams the legitimacy they previously lacked. The Warriors' success allowed Morey to go all in and gave D'Antoni's career which had been consigned to oblivion a new lease on life.

3-point shooting, the rise of defensive switching, and the fall in importance of the traditional big man are all trends that have followed in Curry's wake.
I'm not gonna keep arguing about currys best season compared to others. There all pretty close other than mj and maybe Kareem. We'll have to just agree to disagree. As far as changing the game what you said just isn't true. Whether it was Morey, Dantoni or Don Nelson the three ball craziness didn't start at all with Steph and the warriors. Houston has always shot way more threes than the warriors. Yes Steph and the warriors made it sexy and did it better but they didn't start it or change the game. Teams still draft big athletic players over small shooting gaurds. The top players in the league are still for the most part big and athletic. Steph is the exception because of his insane shooting. The warriors success didn't allow Houston to do anything. Houston shot way more threes before the warriors and Steph started winning. Stop making stuff up

3 point attempts

2012-13
Houston 30
Warriors 20

2013-14
Houston 27
Warriors 26

2014-15
Houston 32
Warriors 28

2015-16
Houston 31
Warriors 32

2016-17
Houston 40
Warriors 31

2017-18
Houston 42
Warriors 30

So if Houston is responsible for for teams shooting more three balls and teams still still look to build around big athletic players how exactly did Steph change the game?
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Old 09-14-2019, 06:12 PM   #65
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I'm not gonna keep arguing about currys best season compared to others. There all pretty close other than mj and maybe Kareem. We'll have to just agree to disagree. As far as changing the game what you said just isn't true. Whether it was Morey, Dantoni or Don Nelson the three ball craziness didn't start at all with Steph and the warriors. Houston has always shot way more threes than the warriors. Yes Steph and the warriors made it sexy and did it better but they didn't start it or change the game. Teams still draft big athletic players over small shooting gaurds. The top players in the league are still for the most part big and athletic. Steph is the exception because of his insane shooting. The warriors success didn't allow Houston to do anything. Houston shot way more threes before the warriors and Steph started winning. Stop making stuff up

3 point attempts

2012-13
Houston 30
Warriors 20

2013-14
Houston 27
Warriors 26

2014-15
Houston 32
Warriors 28

2015-16
Houston 31
Warriors 32

2016-17
Houston 40
Warriors 31

2017-18
Houston 42
Warriors 30

So if Houston is responsible for for teams shooting more three balls and teams still still look to build around big athletic players how exactly did Steph change the game?

Because nobody was copying the style until Steph and the Warriors had success with it. And Steph was, in his first two peak years, displaying that he is the greatest 3pt shooter the history of the game has ever seen.
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Old 09-14-2019, 06:13 PM   #66
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Because nobody was copying the style until Steph and the Warriors had success with it. And Steph was, in his first two peak years, displaying that he is the greatest 3pt shooter the history of the game has ever seen.
Nobody was copying it? Houston was already doing it. Warriors copied them. What are u talking about
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Old 09-14-2019, 06:15 PM   #67
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Nobody was copying it? Houston was already doing it. Warriors copied them. What are u talking about

They weren't just mindlessly chucking and missing 27 3pt in a row blindly like morons the Warriors actually had a sophisticated system with Steph as the catalyst and everything done intelligently. The Warriors had their own style, they didn't copy anyone. They mixed plays yes, but made it their own identity.
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Old 09-14-2019, 06:24 PM   #68
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They weren't just mindlessly chucking and missing 27 3pt in a row blindly like morons the Warriors actually had a sophisticated system with Steph as the catalyst and everything done intelligently. The Warriors had their own style, they didn't copy anyone. They mixed plays yes, but made it their own identity.
I never said they mindlessly chucked them up. I already said they did it better than Houston. They had two of the best shooters ever and utilized ball movement and off ball movement much better. The point is warriors didn't start the while three ball madness. Houston and Orlando did. Teams started shooting more threes after Morey and the rockets came up with the analytics on why shooting more threes is good. This is a fact. So if Steph and the warriors arnt responsible for the three ball increasing and teams arnt drafting small shooting gaurds over big athletic players. How did Steph change the game?
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Old 09-14-2019, 07:50 PM   #69
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I'm not gonna keep arguing about currys best season compared to others. There all pretty close other than mj and maybe Kareem. We'll have to just agree to disagree. As far as changing the game what you said just isn't true. Whether it was Morey, Dantoni or Don Nelson the three ball craziness didn't start at all with Steph and the warriors. Houston has always shot way more threes than the warriors. Yes Steph and the warriors made it sexy and did it better but they didn't start it or change the game. Teams still draft big athletic players over small shooting gaurds. The top players in the league are still for the most part big and athletic. Steph is the exception because of his insane shooting. The warriors success didn't allow Houston to do anything. Houston shot way more threes before the warriors and Steph started winning. Stop making stuff up

3 point attempts

2012-13
Houston 30
Warriors 20

2013-14
Houston 27
Warriors 26

2014-15
Houston 32
Warriors 28

2015-16
Houston 31
Warriors 32

2016-17
Houston 40
Warriors 31

2017-18
Houston 42
Warriors 30

So if Houston is responsible for for teams shooting more three balls and teams still still look to build around big athletic players how exactly did Steph change the game?

But Houston isn't responsible for teams shooting more three balls. You haven't established causality. Houston could have been shooting 30 3s on average for many more years and who knows if the league would follow. The Warriors, however, had Curry and Klay and it made sense for them to increase 3s. When they won that is what catapulted 3-pointers from niche strategy to strategic imperative.

Your numbers very clearly show a jump in Houston's 3-point attempts from around 30 to 40 in 2016-2017. That was clearly a reaction to Golden State's success. Also as I've stated already 3-pointers aren't the only development spurred on by the Warriors.
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But Houston isn't responsible for teams shooting more three balls. You haven't established causality. Houston could have been shooting 30 3s on average for many more years and who knows if the league would follow. The Warriors, however, had Curry and Klay and it made sense for them to increase 3s. When they won that is what catapulted 3-pointers from niche strategy to strategic imperative.

Your numbers very clearly show a jump in Houston's 3-point attempts from around 30 to 40 in 2016-2017. That was clearly a reaction to Golden State's success. Also as I've stated already 3-pointers aren't the only development spurred on by the Warriors.
Are u joking? If u look at 3 point attempts by teams by year you'll see that Orlando and then Houston were always the ones ahead of the curve when it comes to the three ball. Where were the warriors at? Where's the causality with the warriors?
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2017

16 - 1 record

28/6/7 66%TS, 27/8/9 62%TS Finals

16 - 1 is the greatest Playoff run next to the Lakers' 15 - 1 run in 2001. Lakers' run might be more impressive because GSW wouldn't have had the run had Kawhi not gone down first game of the WCF up 23 points.
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Are u joking? If u look at 3 point attempts by teams by year you'll see that Orlando and then Houston were always the ones ahead of the curve when it comes to the three ball. Where were the warriors at? Where's the causality with the warriors?

Are you joking?

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/12/23...nk-about-them/
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That article didn't support what your saying. I already said the warriors do it better. Of course Morey and the rockets are obsessed with the warriors. The warriors took the rockets and philosophy and did it better than they did. I'd be pissed to
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16 - 1 is the greatest Playoff run next to the Lakers' 15 - 1 run in 2001. Lakers' run might be more impressive because GSW wouldn't have had the run had Kawhi not gone down first game of the WCF up 23 points.
Why do u attribute that record to just curry though? He had the second best player in the league on his team. Warriors were already a three all star great team without kd. Without kd and with 2 other all stars curry never came close to going 16-1. You add kd to any atg team and they go 16-1 easily.
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That article didn't support what your saying. I already said the warriors do it better. Of course Morey and the rockets are obsessed with the warriors. The warriors took the rockets and philosophy and did it better than they did. I'd be pissed to


But the Warriors didn't take the Rockets' philosophy.

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