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Old 09-12-2019, 11:59 PM   #31
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Curry has a bigger offensive impact than MJ
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Old 09-13-2019, 01:13 AM   #32
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Curry has a bigger offensive impact than MJ


Change in Team ORtg when Kobe/Durant/Curry leave the floor

Playoffs


09' Lakers ORtg .with.'' Kobe - 112.0
09' Lakers ORtg w/out Kobe -.. 94.0
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.................................Difference - 18.0 <----- link to NBA.com source



18' Warrior ORtg .with.'' Durant - 114.4
18' Warrior ORtg w/out Durant - 96.8
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.................................Difference - 17.6



18' Warrior ORtg .with.'' Curry - 113.5
18' Warrior ORtg w/out Curry - 107.3.
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.................................Difference - 6.2



19' Warrior ORtg .with.'' Curry - 119.0
19' Warrior ORtg w/out Curry - 102.7
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.................................Difference - 16.3


So Kobe had the biggest offensive impact...


Notice how I don't even need to use MJ in this example.. I can just use mini-MJ (Kobe)...

But we already know that the Bulls ORtg cratered from #1 during the first 3-peat to #14 in 1994 without him.. Bulls were actually #2 all-time in 1992
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Old 09-13-2019, 07:22 AM   #33
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Change in Team ORtg when Kobe/Durant/Curry leave the floor

Playoffs


09' Lakers ORtg .with.'' Kobe - 112.0
09' Lakers ORtg w/out Kobe -.. 94.0
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.................................Difference - 18.0 <----- link to NBA.com source



18' Warrior ORtg .with.'' Durant - 114.4
18' Warrior ORtg w/out Durant - 96.8
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.................................Difference - 17.6



18' Warrior ORtg .with.'' Curry - 113.5
18' Warrior ORtg w/out Curry - 107.3.
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.................................Difference - 6.2



19' Warrior ORtg .with.'' Curry - 119.0
19' Warrior ORtg w/out Curry - 102.7
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.................................Difference - 16.3


So Kobe had the biggest offensive impact...


Notice how I don't even need to use MJ in this example.. I can just use mini-MJ (Kobe)...

But we already know that the Bulls ORtg cratered from #1 during the first 3-peat to #14 in 1994 without him.. Bulls were actually #2 all-time in 1992
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10 Cavs with LeBron - 108.6
10 Cavs without LeBron - 90.2
Difference - 18.4
https://stats.nba.com/team/161061273...F_RATING&dir=1


So LeBron had the GOAT offensive impact damm
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Old 09-13-2019, 07:40 AM   #34
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1.)

2019 Regular Season "closest defender" stats on 3-pointers


Curry





Total 3-point attempts per game:. 11.6
Attempts that are "open" (4-6 feet) or "wide open" (6+ feet):. 9.3
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Percentage of attempts that are "open" or "wide open":. 80.2%

Conclusion on Curry - he needs space to shoot threes, thus hurting him in the clutch compared to good mid-range players, who don't need any room and can get the shot whenever they want




TLDR: 80% of Curry's threes are open... The league average is 89%

Common knowledge: today's spacing strategy gives defenses no chance to cover the ground (hence the open threes)




2.)


Curry is bad at contested mid-range:

2019 Playoffs




https://stats.nba.com/player/201939/...nType=Playoffs


TLDR:. Curry shoots 29% on tightly contested two's outside of 10 feet, and 39% on contested - so he shoots bad at contested mid-range, which means he's bad at contested jumpers overall because 80% of his threes are open (see #1 above).

So MJ is a better jumpshooter than Curry because he's better at contested jumpers, while being the goat mid-range shooter..

and MJ shot 40% on threes on 4 attempts during a championship run and in the Finals without practicing threes like today's player, so just naturally because his form is goat and he has goat fundamentals

You're such a ****ing idiot on this point.

You say he's 29% on "tightly contested mid-range shots" but the image clearly shows he only took 0.4 "very tight" mid-range shots per game vs 1.1 "tight mid-range shots" at ~39% per game, either way the sample size is very small but the image clearly shows he shoots well above 30% on tightly contested mid-range shots, which he barely attempted since it's not within his team's best interest to shoot those shots unless forced to. He plays a different game so to say that he's a worse jump-shooter on the fact that he barely shoots contested mid-range shots is just being dishonest.

And it's a joke that you make it sound like Jordan was this god who shot like 50% on highly-contested mid-range shots when that's far from the truth, most of his shots were close to wide open with how good his teams were at creating those shots for him. Curry's numbers on open mid-range shots are among the best in the league, we've been through this before where I pulled up Curry's jump-shooting numbers throughout the years and he was as good as MJ at them when he did shoot them at a volume from mid-range in his earlier years.

The 3-point statistic is a joke as well because the sample size for "very tight" is hilariously small at 0.2, which means that he's a smart player who doesn't jack up bad threes unless forced to by the defense/shot-clock.

Curry's easily the greatest shooter of all-time by all metrics. Not only does he crush any other 3-point shooter (RS record, Playoffs record, Finals record) but he also has the highest FT% all-time.

It's fine. Jordan doesn't have to be the best at everything. You don't have to lose your shit any time someone says that Player X is better at something than Jordan because you don't have to be the best at everything to be the GOAT. Winning and consistency alone is enough.

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Old 09-13-2019, 10:39 AM   #35
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Curry is easily the GOAT offensive player
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Old 09-13-2019, 11:36 AM   #36
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Curry is easily the GOAT offensive player
Yeah ok he's hasn't even been the best offensive player on his team the last few years. Curry only has one scoring titlle and only one season of 30 points or more. He only has 4 seasons of 25 or more. I won't even go in on Steph and his post season and finals scoring. He's nowhere near the goat offensive player. Y'all are crazy with this shit.
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Old 09-13-2019, 11:38 AM   #37
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Yeah ok he's hasn't even been the best offensive player on his team the last few years. Curry only has one scoring titlle and only one season of 30 points or more. He only has 4 seasons of 25 or more. I won't even go in on Steph and his post season and finals scoring. He's nowhere near the goat offensive player. Y'all are crazy with this shit.

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Old 09-13-2019, 11:52 AM   #38
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Yeah ok he's hasn't even been the best offensive player on his team the last few years. Curry only has one scoring titlle and only one season of 30 points or more. He only has 4 seasons of 25 or more. I won't even go in on Steph and his post season and finals scoring. He's nowhere near the goat offensive player. Y'all are crazy with this shit.
Scoring isn't everything on offense you clown KD is a better scorer than Curry but has nowhere near the impact and offensive gravity that Curry possesses

Your the one that's crazy acting like Curry is apparently nowhere near the GOAT offensive player when the stats and number suggest that he is
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Old 09-13-2019, 12:39 PM   #39
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Scoring isn't everything on offense you clown KD is a better scorer than Curry but has nowhere near the impact and offensive gravity that Curry possesses

Your the one that's crazy acting like Curry is apparently nowhere near the GOAT offensive player when the stats and number suggest that he is

No it dosnt. curry needs a thousand screens to score the way he does. When teams are switching and disciplined on defence curry can be contained as we've seen in countless finals games. Kd on the other hand dosnt need screens he can iso anyone and get a good look anytime. There's no defending kd. You just do your best and hope he misses.

And Curry's stats don't back it up actually. There are many players with better offensive stats in the regular season and especially playoffs and finals. At best the only argument youd have is that Curry's 2015-16 regular seasons was one of the best offensively ever. It was definitely one of the most exciting to watch I will say that.
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Old 09-13-2019, 12:48 PM   #40
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Scoring isn't everything on offense you clown KD is a better scorer than Curry but has nowhere near the impact and offensive gravity that Curry possesses

Your the one that's crazy acting like Curry is apparently nowhere near the GOAT offensive player when the stats and number suggest that he is

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Old 09-13-2019, 02:59 PM   #41
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As far as careers it won't even be close Steph is already 31 and will begin his decline soon. Offensively mj's destroys curry at the same age up until this point.

Even if you want to look at Steph's best season it's still doesn't compare to mj when you factor in playoffs and finals. Regular season yes Curry's 2016 was up there with mj.

Curry 2015 regular season
30.1 pts/ 6.7 ass/ 45% 3pt / 56% 2pt

Mj 1990 regular season
31.5% pts/ 5.5 ass/ 31% 3pt/ 53% 2 pt

I won't even harp on the easier scoring era and mj having to score in iso more. If u just look at there regular seasons offensively Steph was a little better.

The post season and finals which are tougher scoring conditions is a different story.

Curry 2016 playoffs
25.1/5.2 ass/40% 3pt/48% 2 pt

Mj 1991 playoffs
31.1/8.4 ass/39% 3 pt/ 53% 2 pt

So in the playoffs where teams and defences are better and refs let players play more you can see that Steph gets worse while mj gets better. In the finals there's even a bigger disparity as curry continues to get worse while mj gets even better.

Curry 2016 finals
22.6/3.7ass/40% 3pt/ 40% 2pt

Mj 1991 finals
31.2 pts/11.4 ass/ 50% 3 pt/59% 2pt

Again it's not close mj crushes Steph. So if you guys want to clarify and just compare regular season offensive impact for that one year than that's fair but as far as a whole season goes which includes post season, mj is on another level.
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Old 09-13-2019, 05:27 PM   #42
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The post season and finals which are tougher scoring conditions is a different story.

Curry 2016 playoffs
25.1/5.2 ass/40% 3pt/48% 2 pt

Mj 1991 playoffs
31.1/8.4 ass/39% 3 pt/ 53% 2 pt

So in the playoffs where teams and defences are better and refs let players play more you can see that Steph gets worse while mj gets better. In the finals there's even a bigger disparity as curry continues to get worse while mj gets even better.

Curry 2016 finals
22.6/3.7ass/40% 3pt/ 40% 2pt

Mj 1991 finals
31.2 pts/11.4 ass/ 50% 3 pt/59% 2pt

Again it's not close mj crushes Steph. So if you guys want to clarify and just compare regular season offensive impact for that one year than that's fair but as far as a whole season goes which includes post season, mj is on another level.

You choose 2016 for comparison when Curry suffered 2 separate injuries leading to him missing games? How convincing.
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Old 09-13-2019, 05:32 PM   #43
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Curry is definitely the GOAT of the '10s decade, no doubt about it.
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Old 09-13-2019, 07:39 PM   #44
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You choose 2016 for comparison when Curry suffered 2 separate injuries leading to him missing games? How convincing.
I was arguing with Manny who said Steph's 16 was his best season ever but go ahead and chose any season u want. None of them are better than mj's best
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Old 09-13-2019, 07:46 PM   #45
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Curry is definitely the GOAT of the '10s decade, no doubt about it.
Nah, Stephs not better than Bron man. Bron has the same amount of chips plus better stats and achievements. 3 mvp's to 2. 3 fmvps to 0. 4 NBA defensive teams to 0.

It's really not close actually
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