When did Dirk Nowitzki pass Rick Barry?

[L.Kizzle]

Not sure when or where I was when this happened. Was it after last years Finals or something?

Rick Barry has 9 all-nba/aba first teams and his team was much worse that he led to the Finals in 1975.

Barry was a better scorer, passer, slightly less rebounder being 6 inches shorter (Barry high is higher than Dirks ...) and were about as clutch.

This man is becoming underrated.

[Al Thornton]

u weren't even alive when he played. how do you know any of this?

[L.Kizzle]

u weren't even alive when he played. how do you know any of this?

So I am only able to know things that I was alive for?

What do kids study History for in school, they weren't alive when any of it happened.

[noosaman]

Why single out Dirk?

[L.Kizzle]

Why single out Dirk?

Cause he's the only one who just (apparently) recently passed Barry.

[Haymaker]

Cause he's the only one who just (apparently) recently passed Barry.

passed what? your accusation is too vague. where did dirk passed barry in what? who said it? is it official?

[StateOfMind12]

Dirk had more dominant seasons than Barry did, not to mention more accolades and accomplishments as well.

Barry should be above Baylor though. Baylor was not that efficient in his time period.

[L.Kizzle]

passed what? your accusation is too vague. where did dirk passed barry in what? who said it? is it official?

In All-Time rankings.

[L.Kizzle]

Dirk had more dominant seasons than Barry did, not to mention more accolades and accomplishments as well.

Barry should be above Baylor though. Baylor was not that efficient in his time period.

How are his more dominate than Barry's? Other than the league MVP, Barry has him beat in everything. More All-Star games, more All-NBA 1st teams (9 to Dirks three. Dirk has one more than Tracy McGrady)

And you talk about dominance, but want to have Barry over Baylor? Barry FG% is 45 and Baylor's 43%. Which for their era's, Barry's is at the league average and Barry's maybe slightly below, not sure.

[StateOfMind12]

How are his more dominate than Barry's? Other than the league MVP, Barry has him beat in everything. More All-Star games, more All-NBA 1st teams (9 to Dirks three. Dirk has one more than Tracy McGrady)

More all-star games and more NBA Teams don't mean much especially considering how Barry did it in a weaker era. 70s was one of the weaker eras of basketball due to the ABA/NBA dichotomy.

And you talk about dominance, but want to have Barry over Baylor? Barry FG% is 45 and Baylor's 43%. Which for their era's, Barry's is at the league average and Barry's maybe slightly below, not sure.

Feel free to compare their TS% which is a much better and much more indicative stat of scoring efficiency than FG%.

You have to factor in things like the ability to get to the line and the ability to make those FTA count.

[L.Kizzle]

More all-star games and more NBA Teams don't mean much especially considering how Barry did it in a weaker era. 70s was one of the weaker eras of basketball due to the ABA/NBA dichotomy.


Feel free to compare their TS% which is a much better and much more indicative stat of scoring efficiency than FG%.

You have to factor in things like the ability to get to the line and the ability to make those FTA count.

It may have been weak, but he was making All-NBA 1st teams with Baylor, Hondo and Hayes.

Dirk couldn't get his first teams until KG slightly slowed down in the mid 2000s and before LeBron's dominance.


Barry is possibly the greatest free throw shooter ever. I know that's not the reason you're taking him over Baylor is it?

[StateOfMind12]

It may have been weak, but he was making All-NBA 1st teams with Baylor, Hondo and Hayes.

Dirk couldn't get his first teams until KG slightly slowed down in the mid 2000s and before LeBron's dominance.

I have both KG and Lebron above Dirk, Barry, and Baylor so this is just further example that Dirk's competition were far greater than Barry's.

Barry is possibly the greatest free throw shooter ever. I know that's not the reason you're taking him over Baylor is it?

Well TS% factors in how many FTA you take as well.

Jose Calderon was a 90%+ FT shooter before but his TS% isn't really boosted by it because he only took like 1-2 FTA. The same goes for Jason Kapono and most dead eye shooters.

Players with really high TS% are players that make FTs at a good clip and get to the FT line at a good clip. Good examples would be James Harden and Paul Pierce. They still also have to hit from the field at a good clip too, 2s, 3s, etc.

[L.Kizzle]

I have both KG and Lebron above Dirk, Barry, and Baylor so this is just further example that Dirk's competition were far greater than Barry's.



Well TS% factors in how many FTA you take as well.

Jose Calderon was a 90%+ FT shooter before but his TS% isn't really boosted by it because he only took like 1-2 FTA. The same goes for Jason Kapono and most dead eye shooters.

Players with really high TS% are players that make FTs at a good clip and get to the FT line at a good clip. Good examples would be James Harden and Paul Pierce.

Far greater, they are all in the same league give or take a few spots, talking about Dirk, Barry, KG, Bron and Baylor. Not like I included Shawn Marion or Chet Walker in these comparisons.

And I am talking about all-time great players were factoring in the free thrown shooting not scrubs lie Calderon.

Baylor avg about 9 free throw attempts per game with 13 being his highest. He hit at about 80% clip.

Barry avg a little under 6 free throws per game with 10 being his highest (over 11 once in the ABA) and he hit about 90% of his.

Still not getting were you're coming from.

Baylor got to the line more, Barry shot a higher percentage. If they both take ten free throws, Baylor is making 8 and Barry making 9.

[StateOfMind12]

And I am talking about all-time great players were factoring in the free thrown shooting not scrubs lie Calderon.

I was explaining how TS% worked and how and why Calderon's TS% isn't that great despite being a tremendous FT shooter.

Baylor avg about 9 free throw attempts per game with 13 being his highest. He hit at about 80% clip.

Barry avg a little under 6 free throws per game with 10 being his highest (over 11 once in the ABA) and he hit about 90% of his.

Still not getting were you're coming from.

Baylor got to the line more, Barry shot a higher percentage. If they both take ten free throws, Baylor is making 8 and Barry making 9.

There are few reasons why Barry's TS% was higher than Baylor's. In the ABA, there was a 3 point line and Barry did shoot from there a few times a game and made some. If we are talking NBA only, Barry's TS% is slightly better, but better is better.

The biggest reason was because Barry shot from the FT line 10 percentages better. Barry was a 87-92% FT shooter, Baylor was an 70-80% shooter.

Barry made practically the same amount of FTs as Baylor did while taking less FTAs. That is more efficient because Barry isn't wasting or using as much possessions as Baylor did.

Two miss FTs is a complete waste and pretty much a turnover since offensive rebounds from the FT line are unheard of.

It is pretty much the same as FGs if you think about it. If you take two more shots than another player but make the same amount of shots as another player, you are less efficient because you are taking more possessions/shots to get a certain amount of points.

It is funny because Barry's FG% is actually better than Baylor's, at least when talking prime.

[ThaRegul8r]

How are his more dominate than Barry's? Other than the league MVP, Barry has him beat in everything.

As far as the MVP, Barry was robbed of the MVP in '75 because no one liked him.

And I mean that literally.