Tracy McGrady (pre-injuries) v.s. Dwyane Wade

[Heat007]

Wade pre-injury >>> T-Mac pre-injury

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p52I1Oy-7M

^^ Wade pre-injury was .90 of Jordan in their "all-around" games.. and Wade would undoubtedly be compared to MJ a lot more than he is now if he didn't suffer those 2 surgeries and got hurt.

In fact, even with those injuries, Wade's career stats for ppg, FG%, assists, rebounds, blocks and steals for "per minute" are ALL right on par with LeBron James since they entered the league in 2003

[NugzHeat3]

I'll take Wade obviously but its a shame how unlucky TMac has been. 2003 was the first year they extended the first round series to 7, it just happened to be the same year where the Magic had a 3-1 lead on the Pistons (funny when TMAC said it feels good to be in the second round, dude probably forgot its a 7 game series). 2005, they win 2 games @ Dallas to go up 2-0, then they lose in game 7 with everyone besides TMac and Yao playing like dogsht. 2008, Yao missed the playoffs. 2009, he goes down and they make the second round. Healthy TMAC and Yao on the 2009 team probably takes LA down.

He was a good defender, too. He had Dirk on lock for a few games in 2005.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Funny how people act like McGrady was some crappy defender.

[ThaSwagg3r]

Funny how people act like McGrady was some crappy defender.

After the 01-02 season he pretty much stopped playing defense. He was a talented defender, but not a willing one. Wade is both which was why he was clearly the better defender of the two.

[ThaSwagg3r]

GTFO ... he played very good defense for Van Gundy in Houston. That's actually when he played his best defense. Dead give away you know absolutely nothing about what you're talking about. Thanks for playing. Oh, and Wade is a good help defender. He's a lazy ass on the ball defender.

Ok...

How many all defensive teams has McGrady been on and how many has Wade been on? Wade was an all defensive member in his second season in the league. McGrady?

[ThaSwagg3r]

When McGrady was in the league at his height defensively, there was significantly more competition at his positions for best defender. And they too were in their prime no less.

Bown, Artest, Bryant, Battier, need I continue?

Also if we are going on defensive team selections, then you absolutely agree Kobe was 1st team all defense this year?

Nice.

You think Wade in the all defensive team because of hype/reputation, or something? And at least got into one defensive team. McGrady couldn't even get into ONE.

It is funny because McGrady only had two votes for the all defensive team in 04-05 when he was w/ the Rockets. While Wade actually got into the all-defensive second team that season.

And I am pretty sure in 04-05, Bowen, Artest, Bryant, and Battier were in their primes. Your arguments fails.

[Heat007]

GTFO ... he played very good defense for Van Gundy in Houston. That's actually when he played his best defense. Dead give away you know absolutely nothing about what you're talking about. Thanks for playing. Oh, and Wade is a good help defender. He's a lazy ass on the ball defender.

you're totally full of shit. Wade's defensive synergy numbers are off the charts fantastic for his man defense in his career. Don't look at the first 4 months of the regular season this year because he started the season not 100% and missed preseason with a leg injury.

but Wade has had 3 seasons of isolation numbers holding his isolations to under 30% shooting. And 2 out of those 3 seasons he was the best isolation defender in the league for those 2 seasons (in the 3rd, Wade was the 2nd best man defender when he held his matchups to under 30% shooting).

Kobe has never once come close to holding his isolation man defense to under 30% in any year in his career.. NOT ONCE!!!


Wade did it 3 times in his shorter career (2 of them even more shortened because of injuries). Wade is a fantastic all around defender and always has been. Wade was the anchor of a Miami defense over the last 2 years that ranked Top 5 in the NBA in BOTH seasons (before LeBron came over).

Let me repeat that, Wade "anchored" a defense in the Top 5 for 2 years in a row with those rabid and very mediocre rosters... Beasley was garbage defensively, so was Jermaine o'neal, and arroyo was atrocious defensively as well. The only help Wade had was Haslem who saw less minutes, and anthony who wasn't as good then as he's shown in the playoffs.

Kobe would never EVER in his overrated life ever lift those Miami rosters to having a Top 5 defense. He's not close to good enough to be able to accomplish that for a team. Kobe needed Artest, and a ton of Bigs who can defend - where Kobe can funnel players to, getting the easy way out because he's the most overrated player of all time.

Wade destroys Kobe in defense, and as an all-around and overall player.

[chazzy]

you're totally full of shit. Wade's defensive synergy numbers are off the charts fantastic for his man defense in his career. Don't look at the first 4 months of the regular season this year because he started the season not 100% and missed preseason with a leg injury.

but Wade has had 3 seasons of isolation numbers holding his isolations to under 30% shooting. And 2 out of those 3 seasons he was the best isolation defender in the league for those 2 seasons (in the 3rd, Wade was the 2nd best man defender when he held his matchups to under 30% shooting).

Kobe has never once come close to holding his isolation man defense to under 30% in any year in his career.. NOT ONCE!!!


Wade did it 3 times in his shorter career (2 of them even more shortened because of injuries). Wade is a fantastic all around defender and always has been. Wade was the anchor of a Miami defense over the last 2 years that ranked Top 5 in the NBA in BOTH seasons (before LeBron came over).

Let me repeat that, Wade "anchored" a defense in the Top 5 for 2 years in a row with those rabid and very mediocre rosters... Beasley was garbage defensively, so was Jermaine o'neal, and arroyo was atrocious defensively as well. The only help Wade had was Haslem who saw less minutes, and anthony who wasn't as good then as he's shown in the playoffs.

Kobe would never EVER in his overrated life ever lift those Miami rosters to having a Top 5 defense. He's not close to good enough to be able to accomplish that for a team. Kobe needed Artest, and a ton of Bigs who can defend - where Kobe can funnel players to, getting the easy way out because he's the most overrated player of all time.

Wade destroys Kobe in defense, and as an all-around and overall player.

This guy is so drunk off that Wade juice he can't even read the thread title

[creepingdeath]

T-Mac. I bet all those Wade jockers would have been McGrady-fans back in the day.. had they been old enough.

[SpLiTViZiOnZ]

There was a time when the Kobe/Tmac discussion as best player in the league was legitimately a heated discussion and I think for a season there, T-Mac probably had the upper hand. I love how Wade winning in the playoffs is some type of barometer, he had Shaq and now he has two beasts on his team. T-Mac had Mike Miller for christs sake!

[creepingdeath]

There was a time when the Kobe/Tmac discussion as best player in the league was legitimately a heated discussion and I think for a season there, T-Mac probably had the upper hand. I love how Wade winning in the playoffs is some type of barometer, he had Shaq and now he has two beasts on his team. T-Mac had Mike Miller for christs sake!

/This, so much!

Wade never went head-to-head against a young and athletic Bryant and came out victoriously.

[Nastradamus]

Its obviously Wade. More fire, more work ethic, more defense. Just as good as a scorer and playmaker. What edge could TMac possibly have? TMAc in his prime was a superstar, but that doesn't make him better than Wade. He was more Rudy Gay plus than Lebron/Wade caliber.

[blablabla]

you're totally full of shit. Wade's defensive synergy numbers are off the charts fantastic for his man defense in his career. Don't look at the first 4 months of the regular season this year because he started the season not 100% and missed preseason with a leg injury.

but Wade has had 3 seasons of isolation numbers holding his isolations to under 30% shooting. And 2 out of those 3 seasons he was the best isolation defender in the league for those 2 seasons (in the 3rd, Wade was the 2nd best man defender when he held his matchups to under 30% shooting).

Kobe has never once come close to holding his isolation man defense to under 30% in any year in his career.. NOT ONCE!!!


Wade did it 3 times in his shorter career (2 of them even more shortened because of injuries). Wade is a fantastic all around defender and always has been. Wade was the anchor of a Miami defense over the last 2 years that ranked Top 5 in the NBA in BOTH seasons (before LeBron came over).

Let me repeat that, Wade "anchored" a defense in the Top 5 for 2 years in a row with those rabid and very mediocre rosters... Beasley was garbage defensively, so was Jermaine o'neal, and arroyo was atrocious defensively as well. The only help Wade had was Haslem who saw less minutes, and anthony who wasn't as good then as he's shown in the playoffs.

Kobe would never EVER in his overrated life ever lift those Miami rosters to having a Top 5 defense. He's not close to good enough to be able to accomplish that for a team. Kobe needed Artest, and a ton of Bigs who can defend - where Kobe can funnel players to, getting the easy way out because he's the most overrated player of all time.

Wade destroys Kobe in defense, and as an all-around and overall player.

we should leave you wade and his jaw alone for some time

[L.Kizzle]

This has been a myth for a long time now. If you ever watched his playoff series, which I'm leaning towards most of you didn't, he annually had terrible supporting casts. Even in Houston. Generally, Yao Ming would shrink to the moment, and not be the force out there they needed him to be in order to win.

Since joining the Magic, when he broke out as a superstar

Regular season 2000 - 2001

27 ppg, 8 rpg, 5 apg

Post season 2000 - 2001

34 ppg, 7 rpg, 8 apg

Regular season 2001 - 2002

26 ppg, 8 rpg, 5 apg

Post season 2001 - 2002

31 ppg, 6 rpg, 6 apg

Regular season 2002 - 2003

32 ppg, 7 rpg, 6 apg

Post season 2002 - 2003

32 ppg, 7 rpg, 5 apg

Regular season 2004 - 2005 (Houston)

26 ppg, 6 rpg, 6 apg

Post season 2004 - 2005

31 ppg, 7 rpg, 7 apg

Regular season 2006 - 2007

25 ppg, 5 rpg, 7 apg

Post season 2006 - 2007

25 ppg, 6 rpg, 7 apg

Regular season 2007 - 2008

22 ppg, 5 apg, 6 apg

Post season 2007 - 2008

27 ppg, 8 rpg, 7 apg

McGrady always produced at his regular season numbers, or in this case most of the time played at a MUCH higher level in the playoffs. The over dramatization that McGrady didn't "bring it" in the playoffs is utterly false. Him not getting out of the wrong NEVER had ANYTHING to do with his play. He always showed up in SPADES. His teammates always let him down.

Just look at that 2007 - 2008 season. He was on the decline because of his back injury that plagued him his entire year, and he managed to increase his ppg by 5 in the playoffs. And it went 7 games with the Jazz, and in game 7 he dropped 40+.
McGrady is one of the best playoff performers of the post Jordan generation. Shame he had such crap around him for the tenure of his career.

Everyone is ignoring this post. I think Mac is 5th all time in playoff ppg behind Jordan, West, Baylor and Iverson.

[moe94]

Are we really going to act like '08 Wade doesn't completely shit on any version of T-Mac? Hell, '10 Durant was a better player than McGrady at his peak.

Is T-Mac better than LeBron, too?