So, Kobe's 2015 v.s. MJ's 2002, YMF ... where you @

[3ball]

Who was better?

Kobe - 35 games

22.3 ppg
37%
5.6 apg
5.7 rpg
81% FT
29% 3PT

Best Games:

44 pts (15-34) @ Golden State
31 pts (11-24), 12 ast, 11 reb v.s. Toronto
19 pts (7-14), 17 ast (career high), 6 reb v.s. Cleveland

MJ - 60 games
Wizards 37-45

22.9 ppg
42%
5.2 apg
5.7 rpg
79% FT
19% 3PT

Best Games:

45 pts, 10 reb, 7 ast in 39 min v.s. New Jersey (#1 Def)
51 pts (oldest to score 50) 21-38 v.s. Charlotte
41 pts (17-30, game winner), 7 ast, 4 reb @ Phoenix (On prime Marion)

Anyone know the Lakers 2015 record when Kobe was playing? Who was better?

if kobe only held up for 35 games, why do we need to look at 60 games for Jordan?

why not compare the 35 games that Kobe was able to play, to the first 35 games of MJ as a Wizard? Don't you want to make it apples to apples?

[SamuraiSWISH]

why not compare the 35 games that Kobe was able to play, to the first 35 games of MJ as a Wizard? Don't you want to make it apples to apples?

If you're willing to do that work, sure.

[Smoke117]

[SamuraiSWISH]

Then don't bother reading the thread.

[3ball]

If you're willing to do that work, sure.

Through 35 games:

Kobe: 22.3 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 5.6 APG, 37% FG, 81% FT, 29% 3PT
MJ:[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] 24.1 PPG, 5.9 RPG, 5.1 APG, 41% FG, 81% FT, 15% 3 PT


link to mj's stats thru 35 games:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...-sum:pgl_basic

[Mr Feeny]

Here is a better question.

Who cares?

We do

[Mr Feeny]

Who was better?

Kobe - 35 games

22.3 ppg
37%
5.6 apg
5.7 rpg
81% FT
29% 3PT

Best Games:

44 pts (15-34) @ Golden State
31 pts (11-24), 12 ast, 11 reb v.s. Toronto
19 pts (7-14), 17 ast (career high), 6 reb v.s. Cleveland

MJ - 60 games
Wizards 37-45

22.9 ppg
42%
5.2 apg
5.7 rpg
79% FT
19% 3PT

Best Games:

45 pts, 10 reb, 7 ast in 39 min v.s. New Jersey (#1 Def)
51 pts (oldest to score 50) 21-38 v.s. Charlotte
41 pts (17-30, game winner), 7 ast, 4 reb @ Phoenix (On prime Marion)

Anyone know the Lakers 2015 record when Kobe was playing? Who was better?

You missed out on quite a few great MJ games. If I'm not mistaken, immediately after his 51 point game against the Hornets, he went up against Malone and Stockton and relived his last game with the Bulls against them, by putting up another 45.
He had the game against Garnett and the Wolves where he was blowing past KG at will, it seemed.
On the defensive end, this isn't even a contest. Kobe has not played anything resembling defense in over 3 years. He is currently one of the worst defensive players in the entire league.

[3ball]

If I'm not mistaken, immediately after his 51 point game against the Hornets, he went up against Malone and Stockton

Actually, it was against the #1 defense in the league - the New Jersey Nets.

all his points in the first half were on Richard Jefferson, and all his points in the 2nd half were on Kenyon Martin...

I mean, he really sonned Kenyon in such amazing and easy fashion.... just bullied him on the post like he was a boy and also from the triple threat... off the dribble too.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FERPEtMYpes&t=0m18s

He had the game against Garnett and the Wolves where he was blowing past KG at will, it seemed.

the amazing thing about his first meeting with Garnett as a Wizard, is that Jordan was a SF as a Wizard, so MJ and Garnett were matched together and Garnett guarded him FROM THE TIPOFF AND ALL GAME.

Jordan scored directly on Garnett 8 times in the first half alone, including 5 STRAIGHT POSSESSIONS when he went 1-on-1 against Garnett and scored, with the announcers getting more hysterical with every bucket - this sequence starts exactly at the 4:00 mark.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=embqhggoep4

of course, this was nothing new - Jordan had destroyed Garnett in 1998, which was Garnett's first all-star season - here's Jordan dropping 41 on Garnett's Twolves (he was a SG back then, so the two were not matched up)... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfgJlBOQSgo

You missed out on quite a few great MJ games.

Indeed, he had a 51 point game, and four 40-point games, including 41 points scored ALL ON SHAWN MARION: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd9ayPlqCMg

he also hit a sick walk-off game-winner in a different game on Shawn Marion here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjo06p5zchg

another game winner over Latrell Sprewell here.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgG9X0aZb_Q&t=5m24s

and the final game-winner he ever hit versus cleveland, sending lebron home crying ONE FINAL TIME... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwW9XbwlV1o&t=5m53s

[Mr Feeny]

Actually, it was against the #1 defense in the league - the New Jersey Nets.

all his points in the first half were on Richard Jefferson, and all his points in the 2nd half were on Kenyon Martin...

I mean, he really sonned Kenyon in such amazing and easy fashion.... just bullied him on the post like he was a boy and also from the triple threat... off the dribble too.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FERPEtMYpes&t=0m18s



the amazing thing about his first meeting with Garnett as a Wizard, is that Jordan was a SF as a Wizard, so MJ and Garnett were matched together and Garnett guarded him FROM THE TIPOFF AND ALL GAME.

Jordan scored directly on Garnett 8 times in the first half alone, including 5 STRAIGHT POSSESSIONS when he went 1-on-1 against Garnett and scored, with the announcers getting more hysterical with every bucket - this sequence starts exactly at the 4:00 mark.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=embqhggoep4

of course, this was nothing new - Jordan had destroyed Garnett in 1998, which was Garnett's first all-star season - here's Jordan dropping 41 on Garnett's Twolves (he was a SG back then, so the two were not matched up)... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfgJlBOQSgo



Indeed, he had a 51 point game, and four 40-point games, including 41 points scored ALL ON SHAWN MARION: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd9ayPlqCMg

he also hit a sick walk-off game-winner in a different game on Shawn Marion here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjo06p5zchg

another game winner over Latrell Sprewell here.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgG9X0aZb_Q&t=5m24s

and the final game-winner he ever hit versus cleveland, sending lebron home crying ONE FINAL TIME... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwW9XbwlV1o&t=5m53s

"He did it againnnnnn. He did it againnnnnn"

[SexSymbol]

No, he stayed retired for 3 season. Got fat and out of shape. Atrophy of skills. Probably a lot worse than staying in relative basketball shape, rehabilitating an injury then getting back out there. Nique in '93 played light years better off an achilles tear than Kobe did ... what's your point?

This thread along with this post is filled with stupid agenda presented in even a more stupid way.
Nique didn't have a full tear, there's a huge difference.
You really think that a basketball legend, universally accepted as the best ever doesn't practice at all immediately after retirement? There's a reason most of those guys still hit everything when they're 60, they do it often. You act as if MJ just sat on his ass, never picking up a ball in those three years..
There's literally nothing worse that a full achilles tear for a basketball player, especially on the main leg.
The truth to the comparison is that MJ was obviously still a good player as is Kobe, but Kobe's had more season under his belt and the worst injury in sports aside from the paralyzing/lethal stuff.
MJ's arguably the best player ever, but the way you're continually acting, at least for the time that I'd been here, you act as if he isn't and you try to prop him up everywhere every time no matter how wrong or ignorant you get in doing so.
TL;DR go defend MJ's dick size somewhere else, your act is pathetic

[SexSymbol]

Through 35 games:

Kobe: 22.3 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 5.6 APG, 37% FG, 81% FT, 29% 3PT
MJ:[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] 24.1 PPG, 5.9 RPG, 5.1 APG, 41% FG, 81% FT, 15% 3 PT


link to mj's stats thru 35 games:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...-sum:pgl_basic

So all this fuss about this, and in the same sample size they were practically equal while being equally terrible defenders.
Maybe we should do Barkley's last years versus Hakeem's last years. Boy, would that be an interesting discussion

[Mr Feeny]

So all this fuss about this, and in the same sample size they were practically equal while being equally terrible defenders.
Maybe we should do Barkley's last years versus Hakeem's last years. Boy, would that be an interesting discussion

Err. Wrong again. Jordan was an above average defender even at 40.
Kobe is the 16th worst defender in the entire league.
And there's nothing similar about someone shooting 41%fg and another shooting 37%fg

I bet 36 year old lebron shoots better than 37%fg too

[Eric Cartman]

Didn't already know that Jordan is better than Kobe.

Thanks.

[SexSymbol]

Err. Wrong again. Jordan was an above average defender even at 40.
Kobe is the 16th worst defender in the entire league.
And there's nothing similar about someone shooting 41%fg and another shooting 37%fg

I bet 36 year old lebron shoots better than 37%fg too

Absolute bullshit.

There's a lot of similarities with their fg%, It was a 9 percent fall off for Jordan and 8 percent fall off for Kobe. Besides, Kobe has a 47,7TS%, Jordan had 46.8TS%. Their efficiency is pretty much equal

Well, given that LeBron is not a shooter and doesn't base his game after that and as he gets older he'll get into the post and eventually live there, obviously he'll shoot better than 37 percent. He's a hell of a player too, so why wouldn't he? I just don't see how this is relevant to the thread.
You wanna talk hypotheticals, I bet if LeBron would get an achilles tear in his 17th season he'd kiss the ball goodbye

[Yao Ming's Foot]

You forgot to list TS%