How bad is Rose, Stats wise?

[Ariza4three]

Another stat idiot.
Butler got like ten points after the lead was 15 points. About six after the game was decided. It means more when the game is competitive.

Lately means more than one game. I didn't say tonight's game for a reason.

Over the last 5 he's shooting 17% and shooting 8 per game. You're a ****ing moron.

[tamaraw08]

Stat wise yeah you are right. But Rose is waaay better than they are right now, turnovers and all. And lately he's been making that shot. Still takes too many. But your post is a bit late as Rose right now, isn't representative of the stats in your OP. And you aren't showing where you think the shots should be coming from.

wow, Rose the past 5 games is shooting 17% from the 3pt area, 5.2 turnovers at 3.2 assists per game. So where exactly are you getting your facts from.

Where do I think Rose should take his shots from?
It's bad enough that he is taking 8 3pt shots/game the past 5 games but he is also taking a total of 24.2 attempts with 3 assists per game. It's like taking 8 shots, then he decides to pass the ball. I know, he should be getting more assists esp if Kirk, Mirotic etc can nail their shots but 24 shots for a PG, really.
Conley is taking 13 shots and he doesn't have Butler but Tony Allen or Lee next to him in the perimeter.
Imo, He should limit his attempts to not more than 16 ESP if he is not making them, do more directing, as in calling the right plays, ask Pau to get in the right scoring position, encourage Noah and Taj to take 4-5 jump hooks. Set up Aaron Brooks and/or Snell by drawing the defense.
The freaking Jeremy Lin has more assists than Rose(yes, Im talking about the last 5 games)
He should try to drive hard and maybe take those leaners and/or Jump hooks ala Wade.

[SamuraiSWISH]

He's bad period. Shooting way too many 3's. Isn't aggressive going to the hole, or creating for his teammates. Looks lazy on defense. IDK if it's concious decision to save his body or not but no one, especially Rose, is playing hard for Thibs. His oppressive, slave owner style has worn thin and guy's are tuning him out. That's why their defense sucks.

[Pointguard]

wow, Rose the past 5 games is shooting 17% from the 3pt area, 5.2 turnovers at 3.2 assists per game. So where exactly are you getting your facts from.

Lately can be ten games, 15 games, whatever, if you are following Ariza welcome to 8th grade maybe 9th grade? If you watch the games Rose's long distance shot has much better form and alignment and don't have that flatness to it. Ray Allen has had terrible stretches. These road games of late have gone very wild and he's been missing them just as everybody else on the team has been wild.

Where do I think Rose should take his shots from?
It's bad enough that he is taking 8 3pt shots/game the past 5 games but he is also taking a total of 24.2 attempts with 3 assists per game. It's like taking 8 shots, then he decides to pass the ball. I know, he should be getting more assists esp if Kirk, Mirotic etc can nail their shots but 24 shots for a PG, really.

I don't agree with his taking threes at this clip and said as much several times. There might be another thread open right now that's similar to this one. But Rose outdueled the best three pointer shooter in the game. It wasn't pretty but it was the only way to beat the best team in the league. There were 4 other all stars in that game but Rose won it on effort. Not pretty but it was won his back. And this is with the team being terribly flat.

Conley is taking 13 shots and he doesn't have Butler but Tony Allen or Lee next to him in the perimeter.
Imo, He should limit his attempts to not more than 16 ESP if he is not making them, do more directing, as in calling the right plays, ask Pau to get in the right scoring position, encourage Noah and Taj to take 4-5 jump hooks. Set up Aaron Brooks and/or Snell by drawing the defense.
The freaking Jeremy Lin has more assists than Rose(yes, Im talking about the last 5 games)
He should try to drive hard and maybe take those leaners and/or Jump hooks ala Wade.

I agree totally. Do you think Rose runs the team? Maybe when the shooters become healthy, he will not be hoisting them up the way he is. They don't run offensive sets like Atlanta does. They play flat a whole lot. They don't cut, they don't have a perimeter game, the post game is on Butler and Gasol who are getting more shots than they are used to and are adjusting to scouting. If you guys are saying Gasol and Butler are the better players then they have to step up.

You can blame Rose, and his execution has been poor, but the OP is just grabbing one players stat and getting carried away with it. And if you watch the games and tell me the dominant theme is Rose, after so many here talking all these last three years that they won on defense and rebounding, its crap.

The number one problem is spacing - and everybody is suffering because of that.
The number two problem is the lack of systematic offense to maximize the talent.
The third problem is the energy not invested into Thibe's style, which is predicated on energy.

Everybody's play has suffered from these factors and the team isn't going anywhere until that's addressed.

[97 bulls]

Lately can be ten games, 15 games, whatever, if you are following Ariza welcome to 8th grade maybe 9th grade? If you watch the games Rose's long distance shot has much better form and alignment and don't have that flatness to it. Ray Allen has had terrible stretches. These road games of late have gone very wild and he's been missing them just as everybody else on the team has been wild.

I don't agree with his taking threes at this clip and said as much several times. There might be another thread open right now that's similar to this one. But Rose outdueled the best three pointer shooter in the game. It wasn't pretty but it was the only way to beat the best team in the league. There were 4 other all stars in that game but Rose won it on effort. Not pretty but it was won his back. And this is with the team being terribly flat.

I agree totally. Do you think Rose runs the team? Maybe when the shooters become healthy, he will not be hoisting them up the way he is. They don't run offensive sets like Atlanta does. They play flat a whole lot. They don't cut, they don't have a perimeter game, the post game is on Butler and Gasol who are getting more shots than they are used to and are adjusting to scouting. If you guys are saying Gasol and Butler are the better players then they have to step up.

You can blame Rose, and his execution has been poor, but the OP is just grabbing one players stat and getting carried away with it. And if you watch the games and tell me the dominant theme is Rose, after so many here talking all these last three years that they won on defense and rebounding, its crap.

The number one problem is spacing - and everybody is suffering because of that.
The number two problem is the lack of systematic offense to maximize the talent.
The third problem is the energy not invested into Thibe's style, which is predicated on energy.

Everybody's play has suffered from these factors and the team isn't going anywhere until that's addressed.

You forgot about problems 4-10. Their defense.

[MiseryCityTexas]

The two things Derrick needs to do:

1) set his teammates up more. He can't finish like he use to but he is still freakish getting into the paint and drawing multiple defenders. Time to turn those plays into assists on a consistent basis.

2) stop taking a 3pt shot to start the game. It never goes in and sets an unnecessary tone for the rest of the game. Turn that first shot into a mid range j or floater and he'll make that first bucket 50% of the time if not more.

So basically you want him to play more like Tony Parker now.