How bad is Rose, Stats wise?

[Pointguard]

Every stat category has been down compared to his career stats EXCEPT turnovers which is waay high.
91th in the league in assist to turnover ratio 1.52.
34th in assists but only bec he plays a ton of mins. MIssed the top 50 in assists/game per 48 mins.
PF Blake Giffin and ball hogs, KObe, Wade, Harden has more assist/game than him, even the old Mo Williams.
The sooner he realize that he is NOT the best player in his team, that he needs to take a back seat and feed Pau and Butler the ball, the better for the Bulls.

Do you watch the games??? Pau and Butler suffered greatly since teams have decided to pack in on them. Which forces Rose to become a shooter and try too hard to compensate for the teams staleness offensively. Sure, the Bulls lack smooth execution and Rose has been a big part of that, but over the last ten games there were only three games above 3 Turnovers. So that is beginning to change. However the problem since the beginning of the year is still there: spacing, shooting, flatness of overall execution, lack of cuts, predictability and lack of plays where four players touch the ball.

I love Butler's game but if he's the man, that means the plan is for next year. He's never lead before and good scouting seemingly affects him. And playoff teams scout very well. He will need some familiarity with role if they are going to win it.

Pau might be better off the bench. He's a great starter/player but Thibes doesn't run plays where Butler can post and Rose drives largely because of poor spacing... or Pau's space consumption. Pau came into the year super inspired and the grind of the East has wore him down some. The higher seed bigs are the guys he has trouble with: Nene, Mozgoz and Horford all bullied him recently, so yeah, you have to worry if a series goes six games.

The shooters and the improvement of Noah/Rose will mean alot for the team. One of those guys has to lead the team if they go deep into the playoffs.

[navy]

He's not going to be back this year. Although, I always said he should get two-years to return to form.

[Jacks3]

Put Rose on a team with good spacing and he'd look much better. Every single star guard would see a decline in efficiency if they were on this Bulls team.

[tamaraw08]

Do you watch the games??? Pau and Butler suffered greatly since teams have decided to pack in on them. Which forces Rose to become a shooter and try too hard to compensate for the teams staleness offensively. Sure, the Bulls lack smooth execution and Rose has been a big part of that, but over the last ten games there were only three games above 3 Turnovers. So that is beginning to change. However the problem since the beginning of the year is still there: spacing, shooting, flatness of overall execution, lack of cuts, predictability and lack of plays where four players touch the ball.

I love Butler's game but if he's the man, that means the plan is for next year. He's never lead before and good scouting seemingly affects him. And playoff teams scout very well. He will need some familiarity with role if they are going to win it.

Pau might be better off the bench. He's a great starter/player but Thibes doesn't run plays where Butler can post and Rose drives largely because of poor spacing... or Pau's space consumption. Pau came into the year super inspired and the grind of the East has wore him down some. The higher seed bigs are the guys he has trouble with: Nene, Mozgoz and Horford all bullied him recently, so yeah, you have to worry if a series goes six games.

The shooters and the improvement of Noah/Rose will mean alot for the team. One of those guys has to lead the team if they go deep into the playoffs.

Yes, I watch the games and I disagree that Rose should keep shooting from 25 feet just bec teams pack it in etc.
Same team last year, same coach, with a much more passive Butler, less efficient Boozer instead of Pau and yet DJ Augustine took 2.2 3pt shots/game

Rondo, Tony Parker, peak Andre Miller etc don't take a ton of 3pt shots bec they know it's a bad shot esp if they are aware that their % is not good.
There are other ways to contribute, ask Tony Allen, Patrick Beverley etc.
Pau actually has been positioning himself waay too far to create space of Rose and other penetrators so I don't buy this esp when Memphis uses 2 post players but anyway, the thread is about Rose' awful stats, as in assist/turnover ratio.
Houston game tonight, Rose had 2 assists and 3 turnovers, plus 9 3pt shots.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

He's playing like a moron. 9 3pas today...WTF

[Smoke117]

He's playing like a moron. 9 3pas today...WTF

He's averaging 8 attempts over the last 5 games...while shooting 17%. It baffles me how all these players can just be chucking away from 3pt land this season...players that aren't even that good from that distance in the first place.

[greatest-ever]

He's not going to be back this year. Although, I always said he should get two-years to return to form.

I don't know why you think it's a given that he even will. If you expect him to have another season like 2011 you'll end up being disappointed.

[navy]

I don't know why you think it's a given that he even will. If you expect him to have another season like 2011 you'll end up being disappointed.

Maybe not MVP level, but top 5 point guard

[tamaraw08]

Put Rose on a team with good spacing and he'd look much better. Every single star guard would see a decline in efficiency if they were on this Bulls team.

wow, this year, Brooks is averaging 45% for the 3pt area.
Last year, Augustin shot 41% from 25 feet.
2 yrs ago Nate Rob ave 40.5% while Kirk shot 39%.

[russwest0]

He averaged 16/4/3 with 3 turnovers per game on 35% shooting last year.

Not sure what people expected from him this year.

[Pointguard]

Yes, I watch the games and I disagree that Rose should keep shooting from 25 feet just bec teams pack it in etc.

Rondo, Tony Parker, peak Andre Miller etc don't take a ton of 3pt shots bec they know it's a bad shot esp if they are aware that their % is not good.
There are other ways to contribute, ask Tony Allen, Patrick Beverley etc.
Pau actually has been positioning himself waay too far to create space of Rose and other penetrators so I don't buy this esp when Memphis uses 2 post players but anyway, the thread is about Rose' awful stats, as in assist/turnover ratio.
Houston game tonight, Rose had 2 assists and 3 turnovers, plus 9 3pt shots.

Houston game tonight??? Rose was still the most effective player offensively.

1)Are you seriously trying to compare the spacing of those teams with the current Bulls? You don't watch Memphis either.

2)You are asking more of Gasol, who is having one of his most productive years in his career, 4 years after a steady decline. Plus he's 34 years old in his 14th year. Gasol has never taken 15 FGA in his career and is at 14.7 now.

3)You are asking more of Butler who is having by far his best year and taking 4 more shots per game.

4)Butler hasn't been posting up as of late and that's not because of Rose and has everything to do with floor spacing.

5)Thibes project is that Pau isn't going to be much better, and the team needs Rose is obvious as day.

6)You are suggesting that the team be turned over to Pau and Butler over Rose and Noah who are both more natural leaders.

7)Already agreed Rose takes too many three's but he's improving in every category and will make biggest leap in improvement after the all star break because of the rest. Which is just the investment that Thibes is making.

[Pointguard]

wow, this year, Brooks is averaging 45% for the 3pt area.
Last year, Augustin shot 41% from 25 feet.
2 yrs ago Nate Rob ave 40.5% while Kirk shot 39%.

Stat wise yeah you are right. But Rose is waaay better than they are right now, turnovers and all. And lately he's been making that shot. Still takes too many. But your post is a bit late as Rose right now, isn't representative of the stats in your OP. And you aren't showing where you think the shots should be coming from.

[Ariza4three]

Houston game tonight??? Rose was still the most effective player offensively.

1)Are you seriously trying to compare the spacing of those teams with the current Bulls? You don't watch Memphis either.

2)You are asking more of Gasol, who is having one of his most productive years in his career, 4 years after a steady decline. Plus he's 34 years old in his 14th year. Gasol has never taken 15 FGA in his career and is at 14.7 now.

3)You are asking more of Butler who is having by far his best year and taking 4 more shots per game.

4)Butler hasn't been posting up as of late and that's not because of Rose and has everything to do with floor spacing.

5)Thibes project is that Pau isn't going to be much better, and the team needs Rose is obvious as day.

6)You are suggesting that the team be turned over to Pau and Butler over Rose and Noah who are both more natural leaders.

7)Already agreed Rose takes too many three's but he's improving in every category and will make biggest leap in improvement after the all star break because of the rest. Which is just the investment that Thibes is making.

why are you so ****ing stupid?
butler had 27/6 on 50%

Rose had 23/4 on 40%

[Ariza4three]

Stat wise yeah you are right. But Rose is waaay better than they are right now, turnovers and all. And lately he's been making that shot. Still takes too many. But your post is a bit late as Rose right now, isn't representative of the stats in your OP. And you aren't showing where you think the shots should be coming from.

Rose has been making what shot lately? The 3? He was 2-9 tonight from 3.

[Pointguard]

why are you so ****ing stupid?
butler had 27/6 on 50%

Rose had 23/4 on 40%

Another stat idiot.
Butler got like ten points after the lead was 15 points. About six after the game was decided. It means more when the game is competitive.

Rose has been making what shot lately? The 3? He was 2-9 tonight from 3.

Lately means more than one game. I didn't say tonight's game for a reason.