Kobe's so underrated...

[Mr Feeny]

To recap, Kobe fans insist that statistics and advanced metrics don't matter simply because all of them place their hero lower on the all time scale than they would.

The same remonstrations come from Kobe stans who want to argue that Kobe 》 Lebron but can't do so. And therefore resort to "bbbut butt ppg, apg, rpg, spg, bpg, efficiency, PER, VORP, BPM. They is all stats. They dont count Kobe is underrated "

[Uncle Drew]

No one is saying he was a bad player. Kobe was great and is rated just fine at 12.

[LAmbruh]

no shame in being ranked 12th


keep your head up Kobrick stains, his ranking will only depreciate as more players surpass

[Turbo Slayer]

Chillax.

[CAstill]

He's 2nd best player of all time and the only player that was willing to accept the challenge of the Jordan blueprint. Which is literally the reason why he is 2nd. No one else had enough balls.

[Kiddlovesnets]

He's 2nd best player of all time and the only player that was willing to accept the challenge of the Jordan blueprint. Which is literally the reason why he is 2nd. No one else had enough balls.

Kobe is the second best SG, but only the 12th best all time.

[Mr Feeny]

He's 2nd best player of all time and the only player that was willing to accept the challenge of the Jordan blueprint. Which is literally the reason why he is 2nd. No one else had enough balls.

He is about 12th-5th all time. Lebron, Duncan, and Shaq who all played with/against him are all a few tiers higher.

[ImKobe]

He is about 12th-5th all time. Lebron, Duncan, and Shaq who all played with/against him are all a few tiers higher.

few tiers higher? Shaq without Kobe made 2 Finals and won 1 role player ring, got swept in the other with two all-stars on his team. Went from Wade to Nash to Lebron to the Boston Big 3 and only had 1 Finals appearance with 1 role player ring to show for it.

Kobe was also 4 - 1 against Duncan last decade in Playoff series, you can cry Shaq but we all saw 2008 WCF.

Lebron came up short against teams Kobe beat in the Playoffs and went on national TV to say that Kobe was better than him during his athletic peak in 2009.

[stalkerforlife]

few tiers higher? Shaq without Kobe made 2 Finals and won 1 role player ring, got swept in the other with two all-stars on his team. Went from Wade to Nash to Lebron to the Boston Big 3 and only had 1 Finals appearance with 1 role player ring to show for it.

Kobe was also 4 - 1 against Duncan last decade in Playoff series, you can cry Shaq but we all saw 2008 WCF.

Lebron came up short against teams Kobe beat in the Playoffs and went on national TV to say that Kobe was better than him during his athletic peak in 2009.

Another one.

[Mr Feeny]

few tiers higher? Shaq without Kobe made 2 Finals and won 1 role player ring, got swept in the other with two all-stars on his team. Went from Wade to Nash to Lebron to the Boston Big 3 and only had 1 Finals appearance with 1 role player ring to show for it.

Kobe was also 4 - 1 against Duncan last decade in Playoff series, you can cry Shaq but we all saw 2008 WCF.

Lebron came up short against teams Kobe beat in the Playoffs and went on national TV to say that Kobe was better than him during his athletic peak in 2009.

Jerry west said that Lebron had surpassed Kobe as an all time player by 2009. Lebron hadn't even won his first MVP during the 2009 season. Nevermind his 3 titles as undisputed number 1 option or his 4 mvps (quadruple Kobe's).
All of the players you mentioned have more rings as lead dogs than Kobe and all are ranked tiers higher in almost every all time list?

[sdot_thadon]

few tiers higher? Shaq without Kobe made 2 Finals and won 1 role player ring, got swept in the other with two all-stars on his team. Went from Wade to Nash to Lebron to the Boston Big 3 and only had 1 Finals appearance with 1 role player ring to show for it.

Kobe was also 4 - 1 against Duncan last decade in Playoff series, you can cry Shaq but we all saw 2008 WCF.

Lebron came up short against teams Kobe beat in the Playoffs and went on national TV to say that Kobe was better than him during his athletic peak in 2009.

Umm, what role player ring did Shaq win? I'm fairly certain he won 3 as the man and one as a sidekick. Which happens to be the prime reason Kobe is ranked where he is, Shaq's rings as the man = kobe rings as a sidekick. All these years of making Kobe's 5 rings the focus of his worth and legacy only backfired in retirement because it's now the 1st thing picked apart in his placing among the greats.


Kobe has only 2 rings as the man.

[Wally450]

Of his 5 rings, he was the best player for 1 of them.