Lebron's goat criteria

[3ball]

Who overcame the bigger talent deficit?

I think Dirk clearly achieved Lebron's goat criteria better in 2011, so I have him goat over Lebron.. again, based on Lebron's goat criteria of overcoming the most

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Lebron's goat criteria


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[RRR3]

Agreed.

Dirk>LeBron>MJ

[StrongLurk]

I voted the first option because of OP.

[G0ATbe]

The guys going against a 73 win team

[3ball]

Agreed.

Dirk>LeBron>MJ

Exactly

I'm showing that Lebron's goat criteria is nonsense

Except you have it wrong - it's mj>dirk>lebron


3) Bron beat 3 perennial all-stars (#1 SRS team)... WITH 3 perennial all-stars

2) Dirk. beat 3 perennial all-stars (#1 SRS team)... with 1-man team (2 former all-star teammates, 58-win, 2 seed)

1) MJ beat 3 perennial all-stars* (#1 SRS team)... with 1-man team (0 former all-star teammates, 47-win, 6-seed)

* plus 20/5/5 Ron Harper


And MJ only had Pippen when he beat 3 current all-stars (3 HOF) and 2 former all-stars on the 91' Bad Boys (5 all-stars total)
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[Ainosterhaspie]

Nobody cares that MJ beat the pretender Cavaliers. That's like getting excited about LeBron beating Toronto every year.

[Ainosterhaspie]

The team starting Joel Anthony clearly was not a stacked team, especially with its best player in a weird funk playing the worst series of his life. Really good top three. Zero depth.

[3ball]

Nobody cares that MJ beat the pretender Cavaliers. That's like getting excited about LeBron beating Toronto every year.

Lebron beat Toronto with his championship, Big 3 super-teams, who were usually favored

Whereas MJ beat the #1 SRS team with nothing... The equivalent of 6th-seeded Brooklyn beating the #1 SRS Bucks last year...

And then Brooklyn becoming the goat dynasty and Milwaukee being forgetten, with that series being the turning point in history..

[Ainosterhaspie]

Somebody missed the 2018 LeBronto series.

[egokiller]

Winning a series where 3 starters are injured and 1 guy suspended + needing Kyrie to make the final shot because you have never made a go ahead shot in the finals in your entire life..... yeah that excludes you from the conversation.

[egokiller]

Nobody cares that MJ beat the pretender Cavaliers. That's like getting excited about LeBron beating Toronto every year.

Yet you care that LeBron needed the pretender Cavaliers to win against a depleted team? As if playing in a weak conference on his way to playing a depleted team is anything to be proud of?

[AlternativeAcc.]

LeBron has better longevity AND peak than Jordan

Why bring Dirk into it? He doesn't fit the criteria in the 1st place, so irrelevant premise is irrelevant

And Dirk averaged 23ppg on 40% in that series, non-factor on D


Simply being a part of a winning team once doesn't give you GOAT credentials


To be GOAT you have to be the best without question for many consecutive years, carry teams to championships multiple times, and have longevity

THAT's LeBron's GOAT criteria, and neither MJ nor Dirk lives up to it


Santa isn't real squirt, put away the Space Jam pajamas and start living in reality. You're getting progressively more embarrassing with these half-assed threads

[egokiller]

LeBron has better longevity AND peak than Jordan

Why bring Dirk into it? He doesn't fit the criteria in the 1st place, so irrelevant premise is irrelevant

And Dirk averaged 23ppg on 40% in that series, non-factor on D


Simply being a part of a winning team once doesn't give you GOAT credentials


To be GOAT you have to be the best without question for many consecutive years, carry teams to championships multiple times, and have longevity

THAT's LeBron's GOAT criteria, and neither MJ nor Dirk lives up to it


Santa isn't real squirt, put away the Space Jam pajamas and start living in reality. You're getting progressively more embarrassing with these half-assed threads

No one gives a shit about longevity if you've lost in the finals 6 times.



To be GOAT you need to at least 3 peat on 2 different occasions and ensure that you win FMVP each time.

What you don't want to do is lose 6 times and give up the FMVP to role players.

[sdot_thadon]

Lebron's goat criteria is this: he checks pretty much all the boxes. Somehow all the criticism and nitpicking has actually boosted his case over time. He has every category you can ask for and then some.

Goat level peak
goat level longevity
goat level impact stats
top tier all time statistically in general
faced great competition
won multiple chips as the man
goat level accolades (mvp, all league, etc)
years of 2 elite 2 way play
raised his game in the postseason
many great playoff moments
failures he overcame
best elimination game player to ever do it
carried teams

and the more specific you get the longer the list does and most top 10 guys either are flat out missing a few of these things from their resume, or have it to lesser a degree in comparison. Not to mention he did all these things in an era where his position was loaded with talent......and still may add to his resume perhaps because he still has years left on his contract. Even if you don't think he's goat, can't reasonably argue his place in the conversation isn't legit.