Jordan not winning yet at Lebron's age is not the same thing: STOP BRINGING IT UP

[32Dayz]

your case is... he would because he would


i'm giving you comon sense

del harris = doesnt start rookies

eddie jones = more proven nba ready

la lakers = expectations to win a title

eddie jones = coming off massive highlights in 96 with 50% fg's,37%3's

lebron james = coming off unproven highschool



this is comon sense... this isnt cleveland. its los angeles

this isnt a joke franchise... its the most valuable franchise


what happend when kobe had big scoring games as a rookie and a second year player? his coach would bench him.. they didnt like it. they werent having it.

Your wrong, Rookie Kobe even 2nd year Kobe was just a bad player.
That was the reason he didnt get more playing time over the extremely unimpressive Jones.

[LA_Showtime]

MJ like any other All-time great player could not win a championship on his own, there are so many variables contributing to a great player winning a championship which sometimes they dwarf that very player's contribution.

And that's why LeBron's career is so hard to judge. He won plenty of games in Cleveland, and yet his team's routinely failed to get to the Finals. Did he cause those teams to overachieve or do you blame him for not leading them to the Finals despite dominating the regular season? What about last season? Do you praise him for leading the Heat to the Finals or dock him for taking a backseat to Wade and appearing not to care?

[kennethgriffin]

Your wrong, Rookie Kobe even 2nd year Kobe was just a bad player.
That was the reason he didnt get more playing time over the extremely unimpressive Jones.

nobody here is talking about kobe you fu*cking idiot


2004 nba allstar game

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_NBA_All-Star_Game

1997 nba allstar game

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_NBA_All-Star_Game



eddie jones = Monthly Awards
Nov 1997: Player of the Month




yea... lebron was not better

[Kblaze8855]

Del Harris....like most coaches...starts anyone who should be starting. I notice he didnt bench Ralph Sampson. Terry Teagle started for Del as a rookie. As did Eddie Jones. They didnt have people capable of keeping them on the bench is what id assume you would say....which really should make it obvious that as with most...its not being a rookie or not...its being the best player. Del harris plays rookies who are good players. Lebron was. Kobe was not.

And eve if he wants to start Eddie...I must ask again. Why exactly...would he not play Lebron at the 3?

Undersized? No. Was Lebron worse than 35 year old Jerome Kersey? No.

So....whats the motivation to not start Lebron or Eddie at the 3?

You going to tell me Del Harris rookie hate extends to the point of benching Lebron for old Kersey when he wouldnt bench several other rookies for vets who didnt compare to them?

[dunksby]

And that's why LeBron's career is so hard to judge. He won plenty of games in Cleveland, and yet his team's routinely failed to get to the Finals. Did he cause those teams to overachieve or do you blame him for not leading them to the Finals despite dominating the regular season? What about last season? Do you praise him for leading the Heat to the Finals or dock him for taking a backseat to Wade and appearing not to care?

Lebron has been to finals with what his fans want to call a weak supporting cast and a super stacked team. He has lost on all occasions and interestingly he is the constant variable in all of them so as long as LBJ puts up mind boggling numbers but fails to win a championship he is just a healthy and more athletic Grant Hill.

[Scholar]

I wanted to join this debate, but it's starting to get silly. I'll pass.

[kennethgriffin]

Del Harris....like most coaches...starts anyone who should be starting. I notice he didnt bench Ralph Sampson. Terry Teagle started for Del as a rookie. As did Eddie Jones. They didnt have people capable of keeping them on the bench is what id assume you would say....which really should make it obvious that as with most...its not being a rookie or not...its being the best player. Del harris plays rookies who are good players. Lebron was. Kobe was not.

And eve if he wants to start Eddie...I must ask again. Why exactly...would he not play Lebron at the 3?

Undersized? No. Was Lebron worse than 35 year old Jerome Kersey? No.

So....whats the motivation to not start Lebron or Eddie at the 3?

You going to tell me Del Harris rookie hate extends to the point of benching Lebron for old Kersey when he wouldnt bench several other rookies for vets who didnt compare to them?

il say it again... 97 was the start of eddie jones prime. he was an allstar.. he was catching lobs and throwing down dunks on people.. a lock down defender making all nba defense. he was a three point specialist. he was proven.

lebron was not an allstar. averaged p*ss poor shooting numbers. was raw. at the time* he was a bad defender

do you dispute any of this?


and the question wasnt would he start on LA at sf. the question was "would he start over an allstar with eddie jones type skill and production"

obviously eddie was a 2 and lebrons a 3

[Kblaze8855]

I see....we are pretending that the small forward position does not exist so you dont have to admit the obvious?

Understood.

[kennethgriffin]

I see....we are pretending that the small forward position does not exist so you dont have to admit the obvious?

Understood.

well then this isnt even a topic

the question was would lebron start over a guy like eddie when kobe couldnt


the question was never... "would lebron start with eddie"

LOL then yea sure maybe hes 6-8 and strong... the lakers starting sf was jerome kersey

yea sure lebron as a rookie is better than jerome kersey.

kobe at lebrons height and weight/position would do the same

way to change the subject tho.. good move because i was winning

[pegasus]

I wanted to join this debate, but it's starting to get silly. I'll pass.

I know. That pathetic 32dayz "quote"s people's posts but changes the wording as he wishes, further polluting the thread in addition to his own dumb posts.

Where are the mods when you need them? All Net??

[pegasus]

how many stupid ****ing threads about this dumb n igger are you gonna make?? admins on this board are trash

I can't believe you used the "d-word"

[kennethgriffin]

I know. That pathetic 32dayz "quote"s people's posts but changes the wording as he wishes, further polluting the thread in addition to his own dumb posts.

Where are the mods when you need them? All Net??

i was talking about eddie jones and lebron james.. then 32dayz jumps in with "KOBE SUCKS"

lol i dont think this guy has a clue about anything. i think kobe is 1 of only about 50 words he learned when he moved here from china

[PrimeJohnnyDepp]

Your wrong, Rookie Kobe even 2nd year Kobe was just a bad player.
That was the reason he didnt get more playing time over the extremely unimpressive Jones.

Nooobody talks about those Lakers that way, not even a 12yo future footstool. Die.

[cteach111]

kenneth, 32Dayz & kblaze ruined this thread

[Kblaze8855]

well then this isnt even a topic

the question was would lebron start over a guy like eddie when kobe couldnt


the question was never... "would lebron start with eddie"

The question is...would Lebron start on the Lakers. And he would. the idea that hes going t the bench is just absurd. No matter who it takes moving out of his way...Lebron James was never a bench player.

LOL then yea sure maybe hes 6-8 and strong... the lakers starting sf was jerome kersey

yea sure lebron as a rookie is better than jerome kersey.

kobe at lebrons height and weight/position would do the same

2000 Kobe would have started on the 97 Lakers. Its not size. Its ability. Kobe eventually had the ability to start over Eddie Jones or to have them start together. He did not have it in 1997. Kersey is getting pushed out with any even somewhat close to prime Kobe and 97 Jones on the roster...and it has nothing to do with Kobes size.

way to change the subject tho.. good move because i was winning

You are making shit up abut Del not playing rookies(just...factually inaccurate) ignoring that Eddie and Lebron both played a lot of small forward(eddie on the Hornets and heat especially) and acting like the issue is something it isnt. Lebron is 6'8'' 245. Eddie was what? 6'7'' and a great defender? Do it all players. They are classic examples of just...swingmen. Kobe is a swingman too. He just wasnt a good one in 1997.

Lebron as a rookie...on the 97 lakers...is not being benched like Kobe. It just isnt happening. And Kobe towards his prime wouldnt be either...and Lebron being bigger wouldnt be the reason. Neither rookie Lebron or Eddie Jones were guys to play 15-20 minutes off the bench.

Rookie Kobe...was. Which is all there is to it.

Kersey is not reason enough to keep Kobe on the bench. You find a spot for great player even if its moving Eddie to the 3(where he would have zero trouble).

Kobes lack of starting is due to a problem Lebron never had.

Kobe didnt start because he wasnt very good. Kobe was a one on one gym player. Kobe was not good as an NBA player. Thats the only issue.