blow this pile of shit up

[Prodigy]

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Why is upgrading our (1) coaching staff, (2) signing good players and (3)draft all impossible with the system we have in place ??

Did I miss the news conference??

(1) Coaching staff
If DCasey and Masai can find an additional d-fence specialist coach, agree, and add him to the staff then do it. No limit on number of coaches or assistants in NBA rules that I know of. No salary cap on special consultants (i.e WayneE few years back). Casey seems to be open to evaluation & self evaluation... at least publicly. Hire a guy to bring a few new thoughts to the management table. Even if he is a special consultant and not a bench coach you can improve.

(2) FA
Umm we have cap space with players leaving. Further we have more money up to the luxury tax. Further we could actually pay into the luxury tax though I doubt MLSE will do this. So again what prevents us from signing Milsap or Monroe or some other ideal player ? Nothing. If we offer enough money they will come.

I doubt Masai will sign a big "bad" Melo type deal ; I don't think there are FA demanding to play in TO... but there is talent to be had.

I don't rule out Euroballers either. Jorge Garabosa came to TO 5 years ago and made an important impact for a couple seasons. I am sure there the right pieces between NBA FA, and Euroball.

(3) Draft
Well we have roughly 20/5/20 1st rounders in the next 2 years. Either we expect excellence from our scouts or we package them for the best "cant miss guy we can find".

Given that we have 3 years left on Lowry / 2 years left on Derozan / Patterson ~ and QOffers due on Val (and maybe Tross) ~ I would assume we need to stock the barrel eventually.

I guess I do not understand why you find this Raptors franchise "trapped" in mediocrity when :

~ 90 + wins over 2 seasons
~ 2 playoff appearances albeit only 3 wins
~ Cap room
~ Under the Luxury so no cumulative penalties
~ contracts tiered to come due next year, season after, season after, season after unlike i.e. the Lakers who picked a "blow it up date"

None of this guarantees a championship. You have to survive injuries etc. You need some breaks. They players actually have to shoot and play d...

But i.e. the Celtics, 76ers, Lakers, Magic look in a lot worse shape in my opinion unless they magically rob other teams in one sided transactions.

1) Casey was the defensive coordinator for the Mavs team. Getting a coach to come teach defense is the equivalent of telling him that he has no idea what he's doing (which is true). Furthermore, I'm not exactly sure how the assistants are chosen but I'm assuming that they are his guys.

2) Nobody wants to play here if they are given the option of a major city in the states. Least of all a legit all star calibre player, which is what we need. Don't say that we don't because Derozan is a 6th man on a true contending team and who knows how Lowry's health will hold up. Small pieces like Garbs won't be the difference maker in us making the first round and even sniffing the ECF.

3) Our draft picks will consistently be out of the lottery and even if we were to chance upon a gem in the draft I have major reservations on the coaching staff and how they "develop" our young players. Ross has made 0 improvement since his rookie year defensively and his offense is inconsistent at best. JV's development only comes from his time on the national team.

The biggest problem is our lame duck coaching staff. The East will continue to suck and we will continue to make the playoffs and lose in the first round if there are no major changes in the team's direction.


We got swept BY THE FRICKING WIZARDS. Maybe that hasn't fully settled in your mind yet or something.

[barkleynash]

I think the raps will let everyone walk this summer. I'd like to bring back chuck hays at the vets minimum and maybe handsbrough as insurance.
Bring in Tobias Harris, sign Cory Joseph, bring back Nando de Colo, Sign Ed Davis.

Trade Vazquez and Ross to Orlando in sign and trade for Harris. Trade first rounder to Denver for Gary Harris
lowry, cory Joseph de colo
derozen, Gary Harris de colo
Tobias Harris, JJ, Bruno/Daniels
Patterson, Ed Davis,
Val, bebe/handsbrough, hays

Fire Casey and bring in either udoko or messini from the spurs.
I like that roster. Plays better defence. no gunners off the bench. Harris, joseph, JJ, Davis and Bebe all play defence. Probably one of the starters would have to play with the second unit. Somebody would need to be the go to scorer with that unit.

[Legends66NBA7]

DeMar and Tobias would be the 2nd coming of DeMar and Rudy.

We need a legit 3&D player at that SF position. Pat starting isn't a bad idea, just not long term. This is where I would love for the Raps to sign starting stretch PF like Millsap. But considering how bad they played this post season, I'm not sure how many FA's will be interested. It really hurt Masai's pitch at signing some quality players.

I don't mind bringing back guys like De Colo and Ed, but if there's one guy I would mind seeing back again, it's Amir. It's just his ankles are so questionable and he really shouldn't be the long term starter at PF anymore. Slide him perhaps to back up C. Lou would be fetched by someone who wants gunner, but if Masai I can't sign anyone of quality, he'll be brought back.

[Jballer]

The biggest problem is our lame duck coaching staff. The East will continue to suck and we will continue to make the playoffs and lose in the first round if there are no major changes in the team's direction.


We got swept BY THE FRICKING WIZARDS. Maybe that hasn't fully settled in your mind yet or something.

1,2, 3 ~ Debatable points fair enough.

I disagree with your points but we've established that.

The biggest issue I think you are over stating is this (above).

My POV is it is inane to state this team has "no future" because the "teams direction" is locked in.

Frankly I don't care we got swept by the Wizards this season. Not if we have draft picks, cap space, tiered "reasonable" contracts.

In fact that exactly means we can change direction. That is the whole point. That is what everyone seems to be missing.

Previous iterations of this team didn't had that option. Previous GMs wasted cap space, over gambled on Rudy Gay, Hakim O, Chris Bosh staying, shoring up with Jalen R.

Change in direction may or may not come from coaching changes but what is out there that is better ?? Who ?

Everyone says fire the coach, trade the players, blow it up. For who ???

Blow it up has worked how well for Philly ? Boston ? Orlando ? For every blow it up success like Oklahoma there are a half dozen "lost way failures".

I like the potential we have if not thrilled with the most recent result.

[Legends66NBA7]

I'm not losing track of direction, infact Masai said that he didn't believe in this team and said they would be major change regardless of playoff result.

I just don't want Casey back if someone like Kyle and even Masai don't like his coaching methods. What is point of hiring defensive assistants when your head coach is supposed to be a defensive minded one ? What does Casey bring to the table ? The fact he's a nice guy and lets his players do whatever they want on offense ?

And if we bring Casey back, 1 of the main 3 core pieces (Kyle, DeMar, and Jonas) are probably on the move. I've heard of Kyle and DeMar both being moved, but it's speculation. Jonas (and Bruno to an extent) are being kept becausethey are young and have potential biling. I know most of the role players aren't coming back or only 1 may. Hopefully thatcap Iis going to net back a good starter or 2, then fill the rest of the bench with pass first, defensive minded players.

Another reason Casey coming back isn't a good idea is that he isn't even giving the other 2 younger talents a chance. Ross can blow assignments and air ball everything, but Jonas can't even crank over 27+ minutes and Bruno and Nogueira see minimum garbage time. That's poor management for the future.

Replace Casey with someone like Mike Malone, Alvin Gentry (if available), or even Scott Brooks. At least Brooks will play younger talent. Also, that Spurs assistant that might get possibly hired would be a great hire too if he wants to try run Pop's system.

[Batz]

f[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]cking hate drake.

[Sakkreth]

I'm not losing track of direction, infact Masai said that he didn't believe in this team and said they would be major change regardless of playoff result.

I just don't want Casey back if someone like Kyle and even Masai don't like his coaching methods. What is point of hiring defensive assistants when your head coach is supposed to be a defensive minded one ? What does Casey bring to the table ? The fact he's a nice guy and lets his players do whatever they want on offense ?

And if we bring Casey back, 1 of the main 3 core pieces (Kyle, DeMar, and Jonas) are probably on the move. I've heard of Kyle and DeMar both being moved, but it's speculation. Jonas (and Bruno to an extent) are being kept becausethey are young and have potential biling. I know most of the role players aren't coming back or only 1 may. Hopefully thatcap Iis going to net back a good starter or 2, then fill the rest of the bench with pass first, defensive minded players.

Another reason Casey coming back isn't a good idea is that he isn't even giving the other 2 younger talents a chance. Ross can blow assignments and air ball everything, but Jonas can't even crank over 27+ minutes and Bruno and Nogueira see minimum garbage time. That's poor management for the future.

Replace Casey with someone like Mike Malone, Alvin Gentry (if available), or even Scott Brooks. At least Brooks will play younger talent. Also, that Spurs assistant that might get possibly hired would be a great hire too if he wants to try run Pop's system.

Too little too late, we will have to see how next season will turn out with Casey as head coach. Might be like a wasted year...

[gyu]

Casey gots to go...

.... But if casey goes, does that mean the rock has to go too?