Both LeBron and Jordan had 0 all-star teammates in 2016 and 1987 respectively

[LostCause]

3ball doing work in this thread

[Dragonyeuw]

Pippen was an all-star in 1990

And as for their third options

Grant 91-'93 PO: 12/8/3 on 56%
Bosh '12-'13 PO: 13/8/1 on 47%
K Love 2016 PO: 15/9/2 on 39%

Those stats without context of watching the games means nothing. Horace Grant had very little offensive game beyond a good 15 foot jumpshot. He wasn't a player you ran plays for. Most of his points came off putbacks and being fed for easy layups/ dunks from Jordan/Pippen.

Bosh and Love's reputations took dramatic noesdives after joining Lebron. Now whether the pressure of higher stakes affected them, or Lebron's style of play stifled their production, make of it what you will. The reality is both were viewed among the best in their position. The Miami 'big 3' wouldnt have been viewed as such had Bosh came onboard playing at the level and production he showed in Miami. It would have been the big 2 and a half.

[knicksman]

At the end of the day, only losers respect bran

[TheWinningFam]

Those stats without context of watching the games means nothing. Horace Grant had very little offensive game beyond a good 15 foot jumpshot. He wasn't a player you ran plays for. Most of his points came off putbacks and being fed for easy layups/ dunks from Jordan/Pippen.

Bosh and Love's reputations took dramatic noesdives after joining Lebron. Now whether the pressure of higher stakes affected them, or Lebron's style of play stifled their production, make of it what you will. The reality is both were viewed among the best in their position. The Miami 'big 3' wouldnt have been viewed as such had Bosh came onboard playing at the level and production he showed in Miami. It would have been the big 2 and a half.

Stop with this ''lebron makes his teammates worse'' bullshit. You're not gonna put up the same numbers and effeciency as a number 1 option on a bad team as you will as the third option on a good team. If you cant get that you don't know shit about basketball.
Take 2011 for example, lebron went from 1st option to 3rd option in the finals, as proven by being third in usage, in turn his numbers and efficiency dropped.

[Dragonyeuw]

Stop with this ''lebron makes his teammates worse'' bullshit. You're not gonna put up the same numbers and effeciency as a number 1 option on a bad team as you will as the third option on a good team. If you cant get that you don't know shit about basketball.
Take 2011 for example, lebron went from 1st option to 3rd option in the finals, as proven by being third in usage, in turn his numbers and efficiency dropped.

Ahhhh STFU. I specifically said that either the pressure of higher stakes basketball, OR Lebron's style. Those are the only 2 possible scenarios. Obviously neither Bosh and Love's stats were gonna be what they were, NOR DID I SAY THEY WOULD BE. You can still maintain the same level of play. You'd know that if you didnt spend your days jerking off to Lebrons basketball reference page. My post SPECIFICALLY said you can't just post stats without context. This is where stat whores reveal themselves. Lebron scored 31 ppg in 2006. He scored 27 in 2012. So, by ISH retard logic he's a better scorer in 2006 just looking at the stats, right?

Also, why would the recognized consensus best player in basketball be relegated to a third option? What happened?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Actually 1991 and 1998. Won championships too.

[34-24 Footwork]

Pippen was an all-star in 1990

And as for their third options

Grant 91-'93 PO: 12/8/3 on 56%
Bosh '12-'13 PO: 13/8/1 on 47%
K Love 2016 PO: 15/9/2 on 39%

Did you really list these players based on fg%??

I swear you fakkits dont watch basketball.

[SouBeachTalents]

Did you really list these players based on fg%??

I swear you fakkits dont watch basketball.

I listed them in chronological order, not that hard to comprehend dumbass

[LostCause]

LeBron was never relegated to a third option, no point asking any goofs who believe that why they do.

Just excuse making for some weird man-love some of these dudes have

[Smoke117]

Actually 1991 and 1998. Won championships too.

LMFAO...are you on this narrative with 3ball now too? Who cares what was official...to say Jordan won a championships in 91 and 98 without an all star is a ****ing joke. Scottie was pretty easily a top 10 player in the 91 playoffs and clearly would have been on the all-star team in 98 if he didn't miss the first half of the season. It's pathetic how insecure you Jordan stans are.

[Screamin A Smit]

I listed them in chronological order, not that hard to comprehend dumbass

[egokiller]

LeBron was never relegated to a third option, no point asking any goofs who believe that why they do.

Just excuse making for some weird man-love some of these dudes have

You realize you are dealing with losers that probably tried to defend the size of the mans junk when he showed how small it was to the world. I came across some losers on another board that tried to claim it wasn't 4 inches. The distance these nerds will go to defend the size of a man that gives 2 shits about them is where amazing happens.

[TheWinningFam]

LeBron was never relegated to a third option, no point asking any goofs who believe that why they do.

Just excuse making for some weird man-love some of these dudes have

This was due to a young coaching staff's negligence, had nothing to do with bron.

In the summer of 2010, the Heat's higher-ups made the mistake of thinking they had acquired the best player at his position, instead of realizing they had acquired the best player in the world."He was just the small forward and that was it," says one of their coaches. Miami fell in the 2011 Finals to the Mavericks, with James marooned on the wing, clanking midrange jumpers. Regardless of what the box score still indicates, that was his last experience at small forward. "We went from plugging him into a system," the coach says, "to molding a system around him." The Heat wised up and handed LeBron the ball. Location wasn't all that important.
http://www.si.com/vault/2013/06/03/1...the-james-gang
On top of that lebron was third in usage in the finals.

You can play games all you want to, The bottom line is lebron being relegated to a 3rd option roll in the finals due to a negligent coaching staff while STILL putting up historic numbers for a third option is of no fault of bron's.

[TheWinningFam]

You realize you are dealing with losers that probably tried to defend the size of the mans junk when he showed how small it was to the world. I came across some losers on another board that tried to claim it wasn't 4 inches. The distance these nerds will go to defend the size of a man that gives 2 shits about them is where amazing happens.

Nobody's even talking about that and you bring up another man's dikk.
Gay..

[SouBeachTalents]

This was due to a young coaching staff's negligence, had nothing to do with bron.

In the summer of 2010, the Heat's higher-ups made the mistake of thinking they had acquired the best player at his position, instead of realizing they had acquired the best player in the world."He was just the small forward and that was it," says one of their coaches. Miami fell in the 2011 Finals to the Mavericks, with James marooned on the wing, clanking midrange jumpers. Regardless of what the box score still indicates, that was his last experience at small forward. "We went from plugging him into a system," the coach says, "to molding a system around him." The Heat wised up and handed LeBron the ball. Location wasn't all that important.
http://www.si.com/vault/2013/06/03/1...the-james-gang
On top of that lebron was third in usage in the finals.

You can play games all you want to, The bottom line is lebron being relegated to a 3rd option roll in the finals due to a negligent coaching staff while STILL putting up historic numbers for a third option is of no fault of bron's.

Then why was LeBron the Heat's leader in PPG & FGA in the 2011 regular season & first 3 rounds of the playoffs?