Do you guys consider Kevin Love a player to build a franchise around?

[KevinNYC]

There's kind of a couple different questions going on here.

Some folks are saying he's not a guy you can win a championship with as your #1.

Is that the same thing as a player to build a franchise around? There are 30 NBA franchises.

How many franchise players do you have at any one time? 30? or is it less?

So I think you have to define what a franchise player is first before you answer this question.

He is obviously one the top 30 players in the NBA. Even a franchise player like Lebron needs other parts to win the ring.

[atljonesbro]

Lol Jesus this forum is soooooo dumb. Kevin love is easily a franchise player. Empty stats my ass. That's just the popular thing to say because you can't formulate your own opinions. Let's disregard his team structure entirely. Ish, the only place in the world where 27/15/5 isn't good enough for a franchise player and he's a 2nd option Lmao y'all would be fckn terrible gms.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Damn, K-Love's ****ing underrated here

Possibly because he's a white boy? Same still happens with Bird and he's pretty much as good as it gets when it comes to basketball, at his best.

[bizil]

Dude is the best PF in the L currently. An epic rebounder AND stretch PF all in one. That's damn near unheard of in the modern NBA! U would have to go back to the days of Jerry Lucas for that shit. And Lucas's era was pre 3 point line. The only thing u can say about Love is that he's not a great defender. But I feel he plays damn heady good position defense at the same time. And he's a very good passer for a big with the best outlet passes in the business. So can he fill as many holes as a KG or Duncan at PF. NO. Is he as dynamic or versatile as Barkley NO. But K Love is K Love and YOU CAN BUILD AROUND HIM to win a ring. If u are the best PF in the world, u are a franchise player. It's just a matter of what level of franchise player he is. There are only about 8-1o franchise players in the L anyway. And K Love is one of them!

[ClutchOver9000]

Dude is the best PF in the L currently. An epic rebounder AND stretch PF all in one. That's damn near unheard of in the modern NBA! U would have to go back to the days of Jerry Lucas for that shit. And Lucas's era was pre 3 point line. The only thing u can say about Love is that he's not a great defender. But I feel he plays damn heady good position defense at the same time. And he's a very good passer for a big with the best outlet passes in the business. So can he fill as many holes as a KG or Duncan at PF. NO. Is he as dynamic or versatile as Barkley NO. But K Love is K Love and YOU CAN BUILD AROUND HIM to win a ring. If u are the best PF in the world, u are a franchise player. It's just a matter of what level of franchise player he is. There are only about 8-1o franchise players in the L anyway. And K Love is one of them!

I like how you always have a complimentary paragraph long summary for every player who catches flak on this board.

[CavaliersFTW]

Dude is the best PF in the L currently. An epic rebounder AND stretch PF all in one. That's damn near unheard of in the modern NBA! U would have to go back to the days of Jerry Lucas for that shit. And Lucas's era was pre 3 point line. The only thing u can say about Love is that he's not a great defender. But I feel he plays damn heady good position defense at the same time. And he's a very good passer for a big with the best outlet passes in the business. So can he fill as many holes as a KG or Duncan at PF. NO. Is he as dynamic or versatile as Barkley NO. But K Love is K Love and YOU CAN BUILD AROUND HIM to win a ring. If u are the best PF in the world, u are a franchise player. It's just a matter of what level of franchise player he is. There are only about 8-1o franchise players in the L anyway. And K Love is one of them!

He reminds me of Jerry Lucas, but actually he reminds me a little MORE of Bob Pettit the more I watch him. He drives and moves off the ball more like Pettit. Pettit won a ring as the best player on his team, as part of a 'big 3' that included himself as the anchor, with Cliff Hagan and Clyde Lovellete being the other 2 big names on his team. They went to the Finals 4 or 5 times IIRC.

[bizil]

Looking at the PF positon historically, how many of them were great or close to it scorers, great defenders, great rebounders, and very good to great passers all in one? The only ones I can think FOR SURE really are Duncan and KG. As great as Malone, Barkley, Dirk, Hayes, Pettit, etc. were, they didn't bring all of that to the table. But yet ALL OF THE PF'S I named are franchise HOF caliber players. The numbers K Love puts up are so SICK that it dicates being a franchise player. If he played in Malone and Barkley's era, or in the peak KG-Duncan-Dirk era, then he wouldn't be the best PF in those era's. But he would still be in the top 3-5. And keep in mind Timmy, Chuck, KG, Dirk, and Mailman are the top 5 GOAT PF's. So there is NO SHAME being behind them. And if K Love keeps up his production, he will be an HOFer and top 6-10 GOAT EVER!

[bizil]

He reminds me of Jerry Lucas, but actually he reminds me a little MORE of Bob Pettit the more I watch him. He drives and moves off the ball more like Pettit. Pettit won a ring as the best player on his team, as part of a 'big 3' that included himself as the anchor, with Cliff Hagan and Clyde Lovellete being the other 2 big names on his team. They went to the Finals 4 or 5 times IIRC.

Great point! I can see some Pettit in his game too! I think Bob and K Love are more prolific, more creative scorers, and more pure franchise level players than Lucas. Pettit was for a long time the GOAT PF arguably and K Love looks to be on the path to being WAY UP THERE on GOAT PF charts if he keeps up his production. But Lucas was a beast and true HOFer himself!

[gts]

I'll be honest, still not sure if he's the guy you build around. He's definitely close, real close but somethings lacking.

Maybe it's because he's a developing talent, didn't come into the league as a dominant force but has evolved/improved over time. His injury history also haunts him.

[T-Time3]

absolutely not.
#2 option at best
but i dunno, im not paying much attention to twolves

[Hoopz2332]

No, but he's a good pairing for a star wing.

this

[GimmeThat]

he's one of the better specialist for the fact that he has size/rebounds can shoot the 3, and is average and or above average in terms of making passes.

you can have other specialized players to build around with him. Rubio's inability to shoot the ball makes him a bad pairing with Love, compared to athletic wings.

or you can have another star wing as other posters have mentioned.

[D-Rose]

Everyone should read this piece:
http://grantland.com/features/kevin-...-timberwolves/

Really dissects into the heart of what Love does well/his weaknesses and why perceptions about him exist.

[GimmeThat]

There's kind of a couple different questions going on here.

Some folks are saying he's not a guy you can win a championship with as your #1.

Is that the same thing as a player to build a franchise around? There are 30 NBA franchises.

How many franchise players do you have at any one time? 30? or is it less?

So I think you have to define what a franchise player is first before you answer this question.

He is obviously one the top 30 players in the NBA. Even a franchise player like Lebron needs other parts to win the ring.

that's a pretty good question, which is why I think listing players by where they rank in their position also puts things in better perspective in terms of building a team over ranking the MVP of the league.

I don't think you're gonna have 30 franchise players at once, just the fact there's not even that many all star players, and many times all star players come from the same team.


I think teams still try to build with mutiple players, and when one decides to leave, then there's really no "franchise" player left.

[atljonesbro]

I'm 100% sure people base him not being a #1 option based purely off aesthetics of play. 26 ppg On 59 ts% is 3rd option but 29ppg on 50 ts% is first option (iverson). Y'all definitely take asthetic of play to seriously