Would you rather play with Pippen and Rodman or Wade and Bosh?

[SwooshReturns]

He didn't deliver in 05, 06, 08, 09, 10, and definately not last year.

But he did deliver. Nobody wins every season man, c'mon now haha ... and his roster changed multiple times. The roster for the Heat was ATROCIOUS in 2008, 2009, and 2010.

He probably could've won in 2005 if he didn't get hurt, either. Oh and FYI, they won in 2006.

In 2007 they were looking good too before he got hurt.

And what's with this first option nonsense? Pippen was the quarterback. He was better at running a team than wade is at being a "first option"

Not really. Wade won a ring, as ALPHA, this conversation isn't even debatable.

And it's not like Wade is just score first, he creates for others better than Pippen too.

He's a better player, easily in fact.

[97 bulls]

But he did deliver. Nobody wins every season man, c'mon now haha ... and his roster changed multiple times. The roster for the Heat was ATROCIOUS in 2008, 2009, and 2010.

He probably could've won in 2005 if he didn't get hurt, either. Oh and FYI, they won in 2006.

In 2007 they were looking good too before he got hurt.


Not really. Wade won a ring, as ALPHA, this conversation isn't even debatable.

And it's not like Wade is just score first, he creates for others better than Pippen too.

He's a better player, easily in fact.

I don't wanna read excuses swoosh. We've had this conversation before. Wade is a better first option player than pippen, but that doesn't make him a better player.

And your a fool if you feel wade is better at creating for his teammates. Do you evn know what it means to run a team? Its not just attack the basket and kick out to shooters. It calling plays, exposing mismatches, making sure players get their shots where they're comfortable. And making sure players are put in position to succeed offensively. Wade can't and never could do that. Then you factor in pippen is better off the ball, as well as in the post offensively. The only thing wade did better was attack the basket

[D-Wade316]

**** at people choosing Pippen/Rodman over Wade/Bosh.

Wade is delivering first option production on second option touches. LOL at dumbass 97 bulls saying Wade can't run an offense. Bosh is an underrated defender. Anyone who watches Heat games knows that Bosh is one of the Heat's defensive anchors. And Bosh is light years the better scorer than Rodman.

[97 bulls]

**** at people choosing Pippen/Rodman over Wade/Bosh.

Wade is delivering first option production on second option touches. LOL at dumbass 97 bulls saying Wade can't run an offense. Bosh is an underrated defender. Anyone who watches Heat games knows that Bosh is one of the Heat's defensive anchors. And Bosh is light years the better scorer than Rodman.

If you reread my post, I acknowledge that wade is a better first option player than pippen. But take a look at the numbers. Wade is clearly a second option in the heats system this year. He's avg 22 pts on 17 shots, pippens best year as a second option player statistically was in 92. He avg 21 pts on 17 shots. They're right on par with each other.

And regardless of how you feel bosh is defensively, he nowhere near rodman. He can't rebound like rodman. And his intangibles are nowhere near rodmans.

[SwooshReturns]

**** at people choosing Pippen/Rodman over Wade/Bosh.

Wade is delivering first option production on second option touches. LOL at dumbass 97 bulls saying Wade can't run an offense. Bosh is an underrated defender. Anyone who watches Heat games knows that Bosh is one of the Heat's defensive anchors. And Bosh is light years the better scorer than Rodman.

The difference is the QUALITY of the first option.

If you're a GOD like MJ ... a beta mentality, all around LeBron esque type player as your wingman and a hard nose defensive role player suits your talents and abilities better

If you have all around skills, can't create in the half court in the playoffs, fail time and time again and get totally SHOOK in the big moments ...

You need Wade and Bosh to alievate pressure.

Get it?

[pauk]

If you are Jordan/Lebron..... then Pippen & Rodman are the better complementary players

[D-Wade316]

If you reread my post, I acknowledge that wade is a better first option player than pippen. But take a look at the numbers. Wade is clearly a second option in the heats system this year. He's avg 22 pts on 17 shots, pippens best year as a second option player statistically was in 92. He avg 21 pts on 17 shots. They're right on par with each other.

Pippen played 38.6 minutes. Wade plays 32.2 minutes this season, the lowest for his career. Why not post their per36 min stats to be fair?

Wade was and never will be the defender Pippen is, but just because Pippen plays better defense, does not make him a better player. Wade flat out blows him away in offense. Not even close.

And regardless of how you feel bosh is defensively, he nowhere near rodman. He can't rebound like rodman. And his intangibles are nowhere near rodmans.

I'd take Bosh's scoring over Rodman's defense and rebounding. Intangibles are highly subjective, so I'll leave you with your own opinion.

[SwooshReturns]

If you are Jordan/Lebron..... then Pippen & Rodman are the better complementary players

LeBron can't have Pippen. They are essentially the same player, they would be totally redundant. LeBron is just an upgraded version of Pippen.

The same way Pippen failed to take his team anywhere because he lacked the mental fortitude and competitive hunger to close out teams whether it was ont he Bulls or Blazers, or take over in the big moment ... the same way Jordan had to be THE guy to get them over the hump, even with a championship veteran ball club and roster ...

Same goes for LeBron. That's why he's in a different jersey, playing for WADE'S franchise.

He recognized his own limitations as a player, and instead of trying to improve upon them, he bailed and asked Wade for the help.

[Doctor Rivers]

I rather play with Gasol and Bynum. I am gonna lead the NBA in shot jacking per game.

lol lebron lickers...

[97 bulls]

Pippen played 38.6 minutes. Wade plays 32.2 minutes this season, the lowest for his career. Why not post their per36 min stats to be fair?

Wade was and never will be the defender Pippen is, but just because Pippen plays better defense, does not make him a better player. Wade flat out blows him away in offense. Not even close.

I'd take Bosh's scoring over Rodman's defense and rebounding. Intangibles are highly subjective, so I'll leave you with your own opinion.

Ok according to 36 minutes, wade takes 19 shots a game. Which is good for the most on the team. What's the point?

Wades much better at penetraing. But that's where it stops. Look, are we comparing the players total game? Or just their offensive stats? Cuz prime wade is what? A 25-26 ppg scorer as a first option taking roughly 20 shots per year? And pippen in his prime was about a 19-20 ppg scorer as a second option player taking 15-16 shots? That's a 5 point difference roughly. I wouldnt exactly call that blowing him out the water. But still, there's more to offense than just scoring.


Were just gonna have to agree to disagree on the bosh/rodman comparison. I wouldn't take bosh over kukoc to be honest. He's not an impact player. Go back and check the spurs record with and without rodman. If your too lazy to do it, let me know, ill look it up for you. Boshes best year leading a team was the year he led the raptors to 47 wins. Rodman was the pistons best player in 92 when he won the dpoy award, was allnba defense 1st team and had a statistical season of 10/19/2 on 54% shooting. The pistons won 48 games. Better than bosh.

[97 bulls]

LeBron can't have Pippen. They are essentially the same player, they would be totally redundant. LeBron is just an upgraded version of Pippen.

The same way Pippen failed to take his team anywhere because he lacked the mental fortitude and competitive hunger to close out teams whether it was ont he Bulls or Blazers, or take over in the big moment ... the same way Jordan had to be THE guy to get them over the hump, even with a championship veteran ball club and roster ...

Same goes for LeBron. That's why he's in a different jersey, playing for WADE'S franchise.

He recognized his own limitations as a player, and instead of trying to improve upon them, he bailed and asked Wade for the help.

You know what's sad swoosh..... its one thing to be ignorant, but once the truth is exposed and you refuse to acknowledge it, then you become stupid.

Now id like to ask you, were the blazers supposed to beat the lakers in 00? Were the bulls favored to beat the knicks in 94?

Im sure you'll conveniently ignore these questions. But I gotta try.

[pauk]

LeBron can't have Pippen. They are essentially the same player, they would be totally redundant. LeBron is just an upgraded version of Pippen.

The same way Pippen failed to take his team anywhere because he lacked the mental fortitude and competitive hunger to close out teams whether it was ont he Bulls or Blazers, or take over in the big moment ... the same way Jordan had to be THE guy to get them over the hump, even with a championship veteran ball club and roster ...

Same goes for LeBron. That's why he's in a different jersey, playing for WADE'S franchise.

He recognized his own limitations as a player, and instead of trying to improve upon them, he bailed and asked Wade for the help.

[Bigsmoke]

LeBron can't have Pippen. They are essentially the same player, they would be totally redundant. LeBron is just an upgraded version of Pippen.

The same way Pippen failed to take his team anywhere because he lacked the mental fortitude and competitive hunger to close out teams whether it was ont he Bulls or Blazers, or take over in the big moment ... the same way Jordan had to be THE guy to get them over the hump, even with a championship veteran ball club and roster ...

Same goes for LeBron. That's why he's in a different jersey, playing for WADE'S franchise.

He recognized his own limitations as a player, and instead of trying to improve upon them, he bailed and asked Wade for the help.

LeBron career isnt over yet.

doubter thought Shaq was too immature to win when he kept getting swept out the playoffs each year, Dirk was too soft to win after when happened in the Finals, Hell...Magic had some criticism by being called "Tragic Johnson" after winning 2 championship or whatever.

[Eric Cartman]

People don't realize Wade is probably the best player in the NBA and not even the best player on his team "who cares?". Hell Wade & Bosh without the Diva could win the title this year. You couldn't say that about a Pippen/Rodman lead team.

[Bigsmoke]

People don't realize Wade is probably the best player in the NBA and not even the best player on his team "who cares?". Hell Wade & Bosh without the Diva could win the title this year. You couldn't say that about a Pippen/Rodman lead team.

you have a point there.