Build Franchise: Julius Erving Or Dirk Nowitzki?

[allball]

Doc

[DMAVS41]

How many lists from respectable sources do you see that have Nowitzki ranked over Doc? If someone is rated better every time, saying he is flat out better is justified.



Let's face it. Compared to his peers: Doc was widely considered to be the second best player of the 70s. Dirk is somewhere down on that peers list, well behind Duncan, Shaq, Kobe. Dirk is a distant fourth at the very best and could be argued to be quite a bit lower. And it's not like the 00s was a strong generation.

And Doc is definitely behind Kareem, Bird, and Magic....and he should be behind Moses on most lists as well. And Hondo is over Dr. J on a lot of lists as well.

There are certain tiers of players....then its just opinion. Especially after seeing them play....there is just nothing wrong with saying you'd rather have Dirk than Doc.

Again...is Simmons a Dirk stan? Its opinion. Not fact.

[LJJ]

Let's face it. Compared to his peers: Doc was widely considered to be the second best player of the 70s.

And Doc is definitely behind Kareem, Bird, and Magic....and he should be behind Moses on most lists as well. And Hondo is over Dr. J on a lot of lists as well.

He's not ranked behind Bird and Magic and Moses in the 70s. You are insane.

[Digital Lee]

u gotta go with the doc

[kenny817]

fixed.

No hate, but Dirk Nowitzki doesn't sell tickets.

I pay my money to go watch Dirk play...its been that way for 13 years

You do realize that every game since like '01 the Mavs have sold out the AAC right??

[DMAVS41]

He's not ranked behind Bird and Magic and Moses in the 70s. You are insane.

Did I say the 70's? I meant all time. I doesn't matter what era. The game of basketball was in shambles in the 70's.

They are on the same tier as players. Its a legit question. Objectively there is very little to distinguish between the two. You'd have to get into very subjective areas....as you are...to claim one is definitely better than the other.

Playoff averages:

26/10/3 Dirk

24/9/4 Doc

When you adjust for pace and league averages....Dirk's numbers are actually even better.

They will end up with similar longevity as well. Just in the same tier....kind of obvious at this point.

[blablabla]

I love Dirk but come on DR.J and it's not that close

[LJJ]

Did I say the 70's? I meant all time. I doesn't matter what era. The game of basketball was in shambles in the 70's.

They are on the same tier as players. Its a legit question. Objectively there is very little to distinguish between the two. You'd have to get into very subjective areas....as you are...to claim one is definitely better than the other.

Lol @ totally disregarding the 70s, but acting like the 00s is hot shit.

It's not subjective. Over the course of a decade of hoops Julius Erving was the second best player compared to his piers. Over the course of a decade of hoops Nowitzki was 4th at best, but could be argued outside of the top 5 as well.

These statements are not that subjective. These are wholly reasonable statements that would be widely adopted by most experts and you know it. Anyone who doesn't recognize the significant difference in the status of these players here must be stan. There is a huge difference between 2nd best and maybe distantly 4th best.

[DMAVS41]

Lol @ totally disregarding the 70s, but acting like the 00s is hot shit.

It's not subjective. Over the course of a decade of hoops Julius Erving was the second best player compared to his piers. Over the course of a decade of hoops Nowitzki was 4th at best, but could be argued outside of the top 5 as well.

These statements are not that subjective. These are wholly reasonable statements that would be widely adopted by most experts and you know it. Anyone who doesn't recognize the significant difference in the status of these players here must be stan. There is a huge difference between 2nd best and maybe distantly 4th best.

And if Dr. J had played in this era he'd be at best 4th as well. Do you think Doc was better than Duncan, Shaq, or Kobe? Please answer.

Do you not understand how retarded your stance is when Doc himself would be at best 4th in the 00's.

And somehow Dirk has more MVP award shares....but Doc was thought of as the better player compared to his peers? Hmmmmmmm.

[LJJ]

And if Dr. J had played in this era he'd be at best 4th as well. Do you think Doc was better than Duncan, Shaq, or Kobe? Please answer.

Do you not understand how retarded your stance is when Doc himself would be at best 4th in the 00's.

You mean if prime Doc was magically transported to the 00s? Like with a DeLorean?

Think about the utter nonsense you foul up this board with. Guy talking about fairytales and I'm the one whose stance is "retarded".

[LJJ]

And if Dr. J had played in this era he'd be at best 4th as well. Do you think Doc was better than Duncan, Shaq, or Kobe? Please answer.

Do you not understand how retarded your stance is when Doc himself would be at best 4th in the 00's.

And somehow Dirk has more MVP award shares....but Doc was thought of as the better player compared to his peers? Hmmmmmmm.

More MVP award shares? Doc has more MVPs, like 5 ABA MVPs and one in the NBA. How the hell does Dirk have more award shares?

What is this nonsense? Who let a five year old log on ISH? It clearly states in the site user agreement that shit like this is not allowed.

[DMAVS41]

You mean if prime Doc was magically transported to the 00s? Like with a DeLorean?

Think about the utter nonsense you foul up this board with. Guy talking about fairytales and I'm the one whose stance is "retarded".

What? Its just the simple fact that Doc would be at best 4th in this era. The same thing you were laughing at Dirk about. LOL

You are retarded if you can't figure out that logic fail.

And you want this to be about Doc playing in the weakest era in the history of the game. LOL

[DMAVS41]

Dirk has better playoff averages. Led his team to 11 straight 50 plus win seasons.

Dirk is one of the most clutch players ever.

You don't put that resume together by chance.

[LJJ]

What? Its just the simple fact that Doc would be at best 4th in this era. The same thing you were laughing at Dirk about. LOL

You are retarded if you can't figure out that logic fail.

And you want this to be about Doc playing in the weakest era in the history of the game. LOL

The lovely mentally challenged world of DMAVS.

Where a flawed and in no way provable hypothesis is the exact same thing as a fact.

[DMAVS41]

The lovely mentally challenged world of DMAVS.

Where a flawed and in no way provable hypothesis is the exact same thing as a fact.

What?

Duncan, Shaq, and Kobe are all simply better players. Not debatable. Do you disagree?

Please answer.

My God...you can't be this stupid. You want to say Doc is better because he was the 2nd best player of the 70's....ignoring that its the weakest era in the history of the game....and the highest Doc could have ever been in the 00's would have been 4th.

I really hope you aren't this dumb. Like...really. People just can't be this stupid.