Adrian Dantley's 7 year run (1980-1986). 29.6 ppg on 56%

[warriorfan]

just for the record I thought your dantley:melo comparison was pretty good...neither melo nor dantley stans (is this even a thing) should get mad

[swagga]

LeBron, Dominique, and Bird >.

LeBron has like 1,700 more points than him in 45 fewer games.

arguing with round mound

[swagga]

Best Scoring SF of All Time.

he wasn't even the best scoring SF in his conference, not even ONCE

[aj1987]

Other guys you can put in the conversation: Baylor, Durant, Gervin, Melo, and Barry.

Baylor: Sure, but he played in an era with a ultra high pace. Something like 125? He's top 5 for sure though.

Durant: Dude's a monster. He has everything except a post game (which I'm sure he'll add to his arsenal). He needs more longevity before being ranked above the others as a scorer though. He has had only 5 seasons as an elite scorer. Another season or 2 and he'll be right there with Bird and LeBron.

Gervin: Totally forgot about him.

Melo: He's not as good as the other. I'd rank him a tier below them.

Barry: Again, higher pacerd era. Still an amazing scorer and is definitely in the conversation.

How would you rank all these guys in terms of raw scoring?

[ClipperRevival]

Baylor: Sure, but he played in an era with a ultra high pace. Something like 125? He's top 5 for sure though.

Durant: Dude's a monster. He has everything except a post game (which I'm sure he'll add to his arsenal). He needs more longevity before being ranked above the others as a scorer though. He has had only 5 seasons as an elite scorer. Another season or 2 and he'll be right there with Bird and LeBron.

Gervin: Totally forgot about him.

Melo: He's not as good as the other. I'd rank him a tier below them.

Barry: Again, higher pacerd era. Still an amazing scorer and is definitely in the conversation.

[COLOR="Red"]How would you rank all these guys in terms of raw scoring[/COLOR]?

That is what I was sort of doing. Just mentioning the top scorers ever at SF. As for actually ranking them, it's tough to say who was better than another, especially when it comes to scoring because at their peaks, all of the guys mentioned reached heights that their peers couldn't reach.

You might also throw Bernard King in that discussion in terms of peak scoring.

[TiagoSimoes]

Other guys you can put in the conversation: Baylor, Durant, Gervin, Melo, and Barry.

Durant is easily on lebron and bird scoring level. those are the top 3 for me, dantley is prolly 4th

[JohnnySic]

Other guys you can put in the conversation: Baylor, Durant, Gervin, Melo, and Barry.

Also Bernard King.

[swagga]

Durant is easily on lebron and bird scoring level. those are the top 3 for me, dantley is prolly 4th

the difference between them is lebron and bird are GOAT offensive players with their scoring+playmaking+possession control while durant and dantley are just efficient scorers, they can get assists but can't be playmakers. Durant and dantley don't know shit about possession control, how to set the pace of the team, or leadership. They are just great scorers and stats guys.

In reality teams truly build around great offensive players, not great scorers.

There are a lot of great scorers, but few of them are great offensive players. This is something pretty hard to grasp for all these wilt(playoffs!)/barkley/westbrook/kobe/ai/durant/curry/harden/melo/cousins/etc stans. On the other hand jordan/magic/lebron/bird/duncan/kaj, that's real talk.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Regarding Dantley...

-he's simply one of the GOAT scorers;

-he was only 6'5 but very strong, bulk and a beast in the post, the best SF at scoring from there, and one of the best all-time at it (regardless of position);

-he had terrific soft-touch around the rim and major footwork, not much range but would knock down plenty of mid-range jumpers if you gave him the space to prevent closer attempts;

-he'd pump fake you to death and was amazing at using angles and his body to get points, just great at moving without the ball for himself too, big-time finisher in the paint;

-he's one of the greatest ever at getting to the FT line, and shot them at a high rate.

But, with that said...

-he gave 0 ****s about defense for the most part of his career;

-he was mostly a poor teammate on and off the court (you see stuff like him yelling at young Stockton on a play that John made no wrong):

-he had some passing skills but was a ball-stopper, a ball-hog who wasted lots of shot-clock time;

-most of the time he gave effort into rebounding was to get buckets off of putbacks and such, he should've worked harder on the defensive glass many times.

When he was starting to change, giving considerably more effort on defense (a good post-defender too), moving the ball more, giving up his own shots for team purposes, becoming a better role model for younger guys, so on... Isiah and the Pistons did him dirty; traded when they almost won a title with him.
But also got to be said that he was still complaining about stuff like Rodman getting more minutes and such; and Mark Aguirre was a better fit with the Bad Boys, as he got more within team concept, better to spread the floor, more unselfish and a better passer, hustled more...

[ClipperRevival]

Regarding Dantley...

-he's simply one of the GOAT scorers;

-he was only 6'5 but very strong, bulk and a beast in the post, the best SF at scoring from there, and one of the best all-time at it (regardless of position);

-he had terrific soft-touch around the rim and major footwork, not much range but would knock down plenty of mid-range jumpers if you gave him the space to prevent closer attempts;

-he'd pump fake you to death and was amazing at using angles and his body to get points, just great at moving without the ball for himself too, big-time finisher in the paint;

-he's one of the greatest ever at getting to the FT line, and shot them at a high rate.

But, with that said...

-he gave 0 ****s about defense for the most part of his career;

-he was mostly a poor teammate on and off the court (you see stuff like him yelling at young Stockton on a play that John made no wrong):

-he had some passing skills but was a ball-stopper, a ball-hog who wasted lots of shot-clock time;

-most of the time he gave effort into rebounding was to get buckets off of putbacks and such, he should've worked harder on the defensive glass many times.

When he was starting to change, giving considerably more effort on defense (a good post-defender too), moving the ball more, giving up his own shots for team purposes, becoming a better role model for younger guys, so on... Isiah and the Pistons did him dirty; traded when they almost won a title with him.
But also got to be said that he was still complaining about stuff like Rodman getting more minutes and such; and Mark Aguirre was a better fit with the Bad Boys, as he got more within team concept, better to spread the floor, more unselfish and a better passer, hustled more...

This is the type of response I was looking for. Thanks.

And also, there was that one time when Dantley refused to come out late in the game when Daly wanted Rodman in for defensive purposes. That was sort of the last straw. Aguirre, on the other hand, gladly took his demotion to the bench to let Rodman start.

[SHAQisGOAT]

In terms of scoring only, considering peaks, I feel only Bird and King are above AD - from those days ofc, because throughout history you got (only) a few more.

English, Dr J, Aguirre and Worthy were below imo... Feel like Adrian gets the slight edge over Nique.

Obviously that, as overall players, I'd take Julius, Wilkins, Worthy and maybe even Alex over Dantley. Larry and Bernard the same, ofc. Think I wouldn't say the same for Mark though.

(considering primes)

Don't get me wrong, AD was a certified baller, simply a beast of a scorer... but he had many "things" going on against him too, to his detriment overall.

Also gotta be said that everybody always praised his work ethic, dude worked his ass off to become the type of scorer he was and such... Obviously that he should've worked on other aspects too...

[KG215]

the difference between them is lebron and bird are GOAT offensive players with their scoring+playmaking+possession control while durant and dantley are just efficient scorers, they can get assists but can't be playmakers. Durant and dantley don't know shit about possession control, how to set the pace of the team, or leadership. They are just great scorers and stats guys.

In reality teams truly build around great offensive players, not great scorers.

There are a lot of great scorers, but few of them are great offensive players. This is something pretty hard to grasp for all these wilt(playoffs!)/barkley/westbrook/kobe/ai/durant/curry/harden/melo/cousins/etc stans. On the other hand jordan/magic/lebron/bird/duncan/kaj, that's real talk.

There's a whole lotta stupid in this post.

[LosBulls]

Wow. He was born 30 years too early. He wouldn't need to do that if he was playing today.

He does it because he wants to, not because he needs money. He still gets NBA Pension.

[SHAQisGOAT]

This is the type of response I was looking for. Thanks.

And also, there was that one time when Dantley refused to come out late in the game when Daly wanted Rodman in for defensive purposes. That was sort of the last straw. Aguirre, on the other hand, gladly took his demotion to the bench to let Rodman start.

Yea...

YT got some footage of him, also...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wakNTHyztuk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVJ3X3BSfRc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdO_3iW5QAA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmpDpEmMEFo (King, Worthy and McHale too)

Can see his very methodical game, and tremendous scoring capabilities.

[SHAQisGOAT]

This is the type of response I was looking for. Thanks.

And also, there was that one time when Dantley refused to come out late in the game when Daly wanted Rodman in for defensive purposes. That was sort of the last straw. Aguirre, on the other hand, gladly took his demotion to the bench to let Rodman start.

On the other hand, also watch how AD couldn't care less about getting back on D after he gets his shot-blocked (seemed upset with it too)... Then just shoves young John Stockton, his teammate, for no apparent reason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaDDgqHuD-I&t=13m7s