Top 25 all time? Who did I mess up on? (Don't care about the actual ranking 1 to 25)

[Odinn]

I'm a huge Stockton guy. If I'm starting a franchise, knowing about his consistency and longevity, and not the makeup of the rest of the team, the only PG I'd take over Stockton is Magic, and even that isn't definitive.

Stock will give you 20 years of keeping his name out of the papers, loyalty, leadership, and 15 years of elite PG play. But If I want to win ONE series, no way I'm taking him over the likes of Isiah, Oscar, Nash, Paul, Payton, etc.

I don't see him dragging a team to the NBA Finals like Kidd did even though Kidd didn't face the best competition in the conference but given his players and the competition it was a pretty hard task.
Or I don't see him dragging a team without its main scorer to 54 wins like Nash did in '06. Remember why Nash actually deserved that MVP award?..
He gets ranked ahead of these guys based on reputation. Not actual level of play.

[SouBeachTalents]

Somewhat in order

Jordan
Kareem
LeBron
Wilt
Russell
Shaq
Duncan
Magic
Bird
Hakeem
Kobe
Oscar
West
Moses
Dr. J
Malone
KG
Dirk
Barkley
Robinson
Pettit
Baylor
Wade
Curry
Durant

[Odinn]

Somewhat in order

KG
Dirk
Barkley
Robinson

I'd like to see KG's claim over all those 3 because he's like the one with the least chance for that #1 spot among those 4. I'm not dissing or something, actually trying to have a conversation. :)

Much better list than OP, BTW.

[Ben Simmons 25]

I'd like to see KG's claim over all those 3 because he's like the one with the least chance for that #1 spot among those 4. I'm not dissing or something, actually trying to have a conversation. :)

Much better list than OP, BTW.

"Much better"... 4 names different...

[SouBeachTalents]

I'd like to see KG's claim over all those 3 because he's like the one with the least chance for that #1 spot among those 4. I'm not dissing or something, actually trying to have a conversation. :)

Much better list than OP, BTW.

Thanks bro

To be honest with you, it's really the top 10-15 of that list that are in more concrete order, the rest are in relative order, more so in tiers than anything else. So if someone wanted to arrange those 4 players in any order, I wouldn't disagree. If we're talking strictly basketball ability & skill, not accolades, I probably would still rank KG first of the 4 because I think he was the most complete player. He'd give you 20-25 points a night, was a monster on the glass, could set teammates up and lead playmaking duties if needed, and of course played phenomenally on the defensive end.

But you could easily choose the others for solid reasons. Dirk for his elite scoring, outside shooting & gravity on offense, and the ability to consistently carry modestly talented teams to 60 wins & deep playoff runs. Barkley for his amazing offensive prowess, relentless effort on the glass, and being able to take his game to an even higher level in the playoffs. Robinson for his absurd athleticism and being an elite two way player, he could score 25+ a game while being a monster on defense

[Dray n Klay]

Somewhat in order

Jordan
Kareem
LeBron
Wilt
Russell
Shaq
Duncan
Magic
Bird
Hakeem
Kobe
Oscar
West
Moses
Dr. J
Malone
KG
Dirk
Barkley
Robinson
Pettit
Baylor
Wade
Curry
Durant

[Loco 50]

Robertson, Iverson, Nash, Stockton, Garnett, Durant, Wade, Nowitzki, Bryant and Pippen over DRob is insulting.

GP being snubbed for Stock and Nash is also really bad.

You appear to undervalue defense.

[Odinn]

"Much better"... 4 names different...

Did you try to having a conversation with yourself? You're pretty idiotic.
Also, more than half of those names are pretty set and stone. 4 is a big number.

[Gotterdammerung]

So what did Stockton actually accomplish with his longevity? A bunch of numbers? He played with a fringe top 5 player practically his entire career and did what exactly?

In his prime, he lost in the first round of the playoffs five times. Four times being the higher seed, you're telling me the 2nd best player on those underperforming teams is a top 25 player of all time? He lost in the 1st round of the playoffs more years than he was the best PG in the league. You can't just rank legacies with regular season stats. His name will always hold weight because of the record books, but he was a fringe superstar at best. And peak > longevity for sure, no argument whatsoever.

John Stockton was a great player, and one of the savviest, most cerebral players I've ever seen. Had a bottomless bag of tricks, textbook ball control, excellent shooting mechanics, and impeccable command of the offense. Quite possibly the best off-hand passer of all-time.

That said, he never truly played above his standard levels, say explode for 30 plus and carry his team through rough stretches in the playoffs. His strength, consistency, was also his greatest weakness. He did not take over games when nobody else was making shots, when the offense was in the toilet, etc. Those are the marks of the very greatest players of all time.

[bison]

Your list is 2000s heavy:

1960s (4)
1970s (2)
1980s (5)
1990s (6)
2000s (9)
2010s (3)

(It adds up to 30 cause 5 players had primes in multiple decades: bron, barkley, shaq, jordan, kobe)

[Ben Simmons 25]

He did not take over games when nobody else was making shots, when the offense was in the toilet, etc. Those are the marks of the very greatest players of all time.

And yet this is something that the very GOAT of the entire sport wasn't known for.

[Matppak]

Come on man Zeke is top 16 at the very least

['Toine=MVP]

I'd probably remove Iverson, Nash, Curry, and Pippen

I'd add definitely add Robinson, Baylor, Karl Malone, and Isiah

[Nowoco]

Durant is not a top 25 player.

I agree.

He's a top 10 player.

[Phoenix]

I think the top 15 is pretty easy. Not a defined order but 'roughly' how I see it:

Jordan
Kareem
Russell
Shaq
Lebron
Wilt
Magic
Bird
Duncan
Hakeem
Kobe
Oscar
Moses
West
Dr.J

16-25 gets a little tricky. For me (again a rough order):

Barkley
K.Malone
Admiral
Garnett
Dirk
Wade
Curry
Durant
Baylor
Petit

Honorable mention 10 : Isiah, CP3, Kidd, Ewing, Pippen, Payton, Stockton, Drexler, Iverson, Nash