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    Default Re: Why didn't Wade get ANY blame for losing the Finals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Doranku
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    i thought it was even better than wests performance.

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    Default Re: Why didn't Wade get ANY blame for losing the Finals?

    The amount of blame that Wade deserves at the most is like 5%. Wade was the best player in that series and that includes Mavericks players. Wade probably should have won the finals MVP. Dirk won the Mavericks the series because of his clutch contributions but he wasn't that impressive in the 1st 3 quarters. Wade was impressive throughout the entire game in almost every game AND he contributed on both ends of the floor. I remember there was like a 2 minute stretch where he was making plays on both offense and defense. Finishing layups and dunks on offense, making momentum swinging blocks on defense, dishing off fast break assists, I mean really he was doing everything for the Heat in that series.

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    Default Re: Why didn't Wade get ANY blame for losing the Finals?

    Because criticizing only Lebron was an epidemic that spread like wildfire after July 8, 2010. All the energy and attention placed on castigating Lebron when he "failed" blinded people to the failures of other players. Lebron was called a "punk", searching for the easy way out by going to play on "Wade's team", but Wade received no criticism for recruiting the two time league MVP to come to Miaimi and rejoicing on national TV like a 10 year old kid at Christmas when the announcement was made.

    I don't know if anyone else noticed it, but all of a sudden several players' reputations in certain areas of the game were enhanced because of the "criticize Lebron" plague. Players who have come up short multiple times recently or finally have their 1st winning season are suddenly and miraculously considered the models of "clutch", "killer insitinct", and "mental tounghness" when Lebron "fails". Wade is just one of the many players who benefitted from this. He was often let off the hook because it was the

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlip
    Because criticizing only Lebron was an epidemic that spread like wildfire after July 8, 2010. All the energy and attention placed on castigating Lebron when he "failed" blinded people to the failures of other players. Lebron was called a "punk", searching for the easy way out by going to play on "Wade's team", but Wade received no criticism for recruiting the two time league MVP to come to Miaimi and rejoicing on national TV like a 10 year old kid at Christmas when the announcement was made.

    I don't know if anyone else noticed it, but all of a sudden several players' reputations in certain areas of the game were enhanced because of the "criticize Lebron" plague. Players who have come up short multiple times recently or finally have their 1st winning season are suddenly and miraculously considered the models of "clutch", "killer insitinct", and "mental tounghness" when Lebron "fails". Wade is just one of the many players who benefitted from this. He was often let off the hook because it was the
    Or maybe because Lebron stopped trying, played uninspiringly, and had the worst Finals in history for a superstar of his caliber? Could that be it?

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    Default Re: Why didn't Wade get ANY blame for losing the Finals?

    Quote Originally Posted by RRR3
    For what it's worth he scored 7 in the 4th quarter of game 6. Obviously LeBron sucked in the Finals, just pointing out that he had two okay games (1 and 6, half of game 2 lol).
    If only he had done that over the course of the series, Heat 2011 champs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by donald_trump
    i thought it was even better than wests performance.
    West - 38 PPG
    42/13/12 in Game 7

    Wade - 26.5 PPG

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    I'm trying to figure out why no one is questioning why wade didn't pick up either terry or jj berea. That could've been a huge swing for the heat. And to be honest, that's where the heat lost the series. Sure Dirk hit a few big shots towards the end, but they did a relatively good job on him. It was terry and berea that killed them.

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    Or maybe because Lebron stopped trying, played uninspiringly, and had the worst Finals in history for a superstar of his caliber? Could that be it?
    I think that you missed the point of my post. My post was about the fact that Wade especially (and other players) for the entire season, even before the Finals, was not receiving criticism for having the same failures as Lebron. The fact that he wasn't criticized for being "the man" and losing the Finals is just reflective of what was happening all season long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce Bigalow
    West - 38 PPG
    42/13/12 in Game 7

    Wade - 26.5 PPG
    look at the discrepancy in pace and also the fact that the last finals were one of the slowest and lowest scoring ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donald_trump
    look at the discrepancy in pace and also the fact that the last finals were one of the slowest and lowest scoring ever.
    Game Date Home Team Result Road Team
    Game 1 April 23 Los Angeles Lakers 120–118 (1-0) Boston Celtics
    Game 2 April 25 Los Angeles Lakers 118–112 (2-0) Boston Celtics
    Game 3 April 27 Boston Celtics 111–105 (1-2) Los Angeles Lakers
    Game 4 April 29 Boston Celtics 89–88 (2-2) Los Angeles Lakers
    Game 5 May 1 Los Angeles Lakers 117–104 (3-2) Boston Celtics
    Game 6 May 3 Boston Celtics 99–90 (3-3) Los Angeles Lakers
    Game 7 May 5 Los Angeles Lakers 106–108 (3-4) Boston Celtics
    like a 10% higher pace

    38 ppg x .90 = 34.2 ppg

    or on a 20% less pace

    38 ppg x .80 = 30.4 ppg

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    Default Re: Why didn't Wade get ANY blame for losing the Finals?

    Quote Originally Posted by jlip
    I think that you missed the point of my post. My post was about the fact that Wade especially (and other players) for the entire season, even before the Finals, was not receiving criticism for having the same failures as Lebron. The fact that he wasn't criticized for being "the man" and losing the Finals is just reflective of what was happening all season long.
    Maybe because Lebron is held to a higher standard. While Wade's considered one of the best shooting guards ever, Lebron's name is being tossed around in the upper echelon of players who have played the game. We spend time arguing whether Wade is better than Iverson or a prime Tmac, while Lebron is being called the greatest player ever by Scottie Pippen. Fair or not, it's more glaring when Lebron fails, then when Wade fails. We expect more of him. And let's be honest, Lebron after the 2010 playoffs meltdown made a conscious decision to join a team with one superstar and one very good player. He went off on his 'not 2, not 3, not 5, not 7' tangent. He said it's going to be 'easy' once they learn to play together. Much of these criticisms, while in some cases over the top, are self-inflicted wounds.

    And, it's the second successive post-season where Lebron has just faltered, for reasons unknown. In 2010 it was the 'elbow injury' which you never heard anymore about after the Cavs lost in 2010, in 2011 it was ......? The guy was having a great playoff run, with spectacular series against Boston and Chicago, both teams being better defensively than the Mavs. So it begs the question of just 'what' happened in the finals. He came into the series on a major high. There was no 'elbow injury'. The Mavs certainly didn't present the defensive challenge Chicago did. What happened? The guy scored 18 points in six 4th quarters. 18!And that was only bolstered by scoring 7 points in game 6 4th quarter, until that point he had scored 11 4th quarter points through game 5. How can someone of Lebron's stature, of his greatness which he JUST showed us the series before, play that weak? It's unconscionable.
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    Default Re: Why didn't Wade get ANY blame for losing the Finals?

    1969 Finals
    Lakers avg PPG - 105.7

    2011 Finals
    Heat avg PPG - 92.3

    38/105.7 = 35.9%

    26.5/92.3 = 28.7%

    Jerry West's PPG with 92.3 team points is 33.1

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    Default Re: Why didn't Wade get ANY blame for losing the Finals?

    Quote Originally Posted by donald_trump
    because wade put up the best finals performance in a losing team ever.
    lol @ this... just shows how much you know about basketball history... ZERO

    27ppg on 55% shooting. thats why he doesnt get any blame. because he performed up to standard if not better. lebron fell off.
    Lebron took much less shots, he averaged more rebounds, assists and so on... so what?

    I couldnt care less what they produced when they BOTH choked in the clutch.... despite Wade scoring more points than Lebron in Finals, Wade was actually not able to close a single game out........ but Lebron did that in Game 1....

    so much for stats when you cant close a game out....

    Wade was also HORRIBLE in Game 5 & Game 6.... remember?

    Nobody cared about Wade... it was all about Lebron.... he got all the Blame.....

    acting like if he averaged a 30 point triple double they would have won.... did you see the ECF against Magic? He averaged almost a 40 point triple double against them................. people still bashed him saying: "Lebron statpadded/ballhoged and thats why they lost"....

    Wade didnt recieve ANY blame even in the ECF against Bulls where he played worse than Lebron did in the Finals.... but they won because Lebron played great..... when Lebron plays bad and Wade plays great they still LOOSE............ which shows who is more important to the team...
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    Default Re: Why didn't Wade get ANY blame for losing the Finals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce Bigalow
    1969 Finals
    Lakers avg PPG - 105.7

    2011 Finals
    Heat avg PPG - 92.3

    38/105.7 = 35.9%

    26.5/92.3 = 28.7%

    Jerry West's PPG with 92.3 team points is 33.1
    from what i read, apart from game 1, 2 and 7 west shot extremely poorly and had a lot of turnovers throughout the series.

    wade went up against kidd and marion most of the time who are regarded as good defenders, while west abused sam jones most of the series.

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    Default Re: Why didn't Wade get ANY blame for losing the Finals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonyeuw
    Fair enough, out of interest how many points did Lebron score in totality in the 4th quarter?
    more than Wade.

    6/16 shooting with 5 turnovers when your season is on the line deserves some criticism

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