Toronto Chris Bosh or Current Kevin Love

[VengefulAngel]

Which one do you have?

Chris Bosh (2009-2010) Record: 40-42
MPG/ FG/3P%/FT%/RPG/APG/SPG/BPG/PPG
36.1/.518 /364/ .797/ 10.8/ 2.4/.6/1.0/24.0

Kevin Love (2013-2014) Record 40-42
MPG/ FG/3P%/FT%/RPG/APG/SPG/BPG/PPG
36.3 /.457 /.376/.821/12.5/4.4/ .8/.5 /26.1

Both missed the playoffs.

[avonbarksdale]

k love

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Kevin Love....easily

[VengefulAngel]

Kevin Love....easily

Really Chris Bosh was a far better defender...

[moe94]

Love

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Really Chris Bosh was a far better defender...

In his Toronto days?? Not really

[VengefulAngel]

Advanced Stats:


Chris Bosh (2009-2010)

PER: 25 / TS: 59.2% / EFG: 52.2%

Kevin Love (2013-2014)

PER: 26.9/ TS: 59.1 % / EFG: 52.4 %

Chris Bosh got to the line more.

[VengefulAngel]

In his Toronto days?? Not really

Trying to find some numbers right now.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Trying to find some numbers right now.

Only relevant numbers to defense = DRAPM...it's not flawless but it's really the only statistic that gives at least some indication of defensive impact:

Love 2014 = +1.32
Love 2013 = +2.1
Love 2012 = +1.5

Bosh 2010 = +1.9
Bosh 2009 = +1.6
Bosh 2008 = +2.1
Bosh 2007 = +1.5


Pretty comparable...

[Legends66NBA7]

Really Chris Bosh was a far better defender...

09/10 Bosh was the worst defensive version of prime Bosh.

Even if it's better than 13/14 Kevin Love, it's not that impactful ifwere talking about other versions of Toronto Bosh. It's not Duncan and Garnett level, not even peak Elton Brand or Jermaine O'Neal level.

[VengefulAngel]

Wow, Kevin Love really had a historic season. Seriously underrated.

Third in all these categories:

OWS (10.6) Behind Lebron and KD
Win Shares (14.3) Behind Lebron and KD
Defensive Rebound Pct (29.5) behind Andrew Bogut and DeMarcus Cousins
3rd in PER (26.9) behind Lebron and KD.
3rd in Total rebounds (963) behind DeAndre Jordan and Andre Drummond.
3rd (520) in FTA behind Kevin Durant and James Harden

Other Notables:
4th in WS PER 48 Behind Lebron, KD and Chris Paul.
8th in OFF rating.
20th in TS%.

[VengefulAngel]

09/10 Bosh was the worst defensive version of prime Bosh.

Even if it's better than 13/14 Kevin Love, it's not that impactful ifwere talking about other versions of Toronto Bosh. It's not Duncan and Garnett level, not even peak Elton Brand or Jermaine O'Neal level.

Very true. :)

[KG215]

Wow, Kevin Love really had a historic season. Seriously underrated.

Third in all these categories:

OWS (10.6) Behind Lebron and KD
Win Shares (14.3) Behind Lebron and KD
Defensive Rebound Pct (29.5) behind Andrew Bogut and DeMarcus Cousins
3rd in PER (26.9) behind Lebron and KD.
3rd in Total rebounds (963) behind DeAndre Jordan and Andre Drummond.
3rd (520) in FTA behind Kevin Durant and James Harden

Other Notables:
4th in WS PER 48 Behind Lebron, KD and Chris Paul.
8th in OFF rating.
20th in TS%.

Finishing 3rd in a bunch of categories doesn't make a season "historic."

[VengefulAngel]

Finishing 3rd in a bunch of categories doesn't make a season "historic."

When the number one and two are Kevin Durant and Lebron James it does.

[KG215]

When the number one and two are Kevin Durant and Lebron James it does.

No, it doesn't. Maybe him finishing with an average of 26 PPG and 14 RPG is, in someway historic, but simply finishing third or top five in a bunch of categories isn't historic in and of itself. That's now how it works; regardless of who you finish third behind.