Build your franchise: Bill Russell or Dwight Howard?

[Crown&Coke]

William Russell

people think all he did was defense, but a lot of those years with the celtics Red used Bill as the initiator of the offense from the mid post. his passing is very, very, very underrated

and he is one of the smartest ball players

[CavaliersFTW]

As if Dwight wouldn't get "owned" by Wilt Chamberlain

Can't wait to see the mix of Russell that you have coming? How much have you got so far?

I've got 0 clips on my editing timeline lol I haven't started cutting clips out or chopping games apart yet. But I know the footage I'm (still) accumulating from a few more sources is legit. Bill Russell repeatedly dribbles the entire length of the floor after rebounds or blocked shots with his left OR right hand (alternating to keep the ball away from the defender!) only to throw down a dunk, layup, or pass off to assist a hot handed teammate after he's drawn the D. And he shoots skyhooks and sweeping hooks with both hands too. He seems very in touch with the flow of the game, like when he should score and when he shouldn't. That kind of ability alone means he is NOT just another defensive minded Ben Wallace. IMO he's more dynamic on both ends of the floor than Dwight Howard too.

Also, just the way he carries himself on the floor, he looks mean as f*ck out there. He's got some sort of "it" factor goin on when he's in the zone. I got this play where one of the Lakers centers Leroy Ellis tries to snatch a rebound out of Bill's hands when Bill was probably caught up in a moment of cruise control and Ellis manages to grab it and tries to shoot it back up and it looks like Bill just flips out cause he crushes that ball into the crowd and stares at Ellis like Ellis was some snotty child who just did a no no and is about to get whipped with a belt. He looks like a guy you just don't want to get testy with, he pulls off the intimidation vibe very well.

[CavaliersFTW]

Howard.


A 6'9 center?

In their barefeet:

Dwight Howard: 6-9 - thanks to draftexpress.com
Lies about his height, calls himself 6-11 because he doesn't want to be known as an undersized center

Bill Russell: 6-9.63 - thanks to sports illustrated 1956
Lies about his height calls himself 6-9 because he doesn't want to be associated with "goons" (tall uncordinated players)

Yah.... so uh.... you were saying somethin about 6-9 centers?

[clipps]

Bill Russel easily.

[Jameerthefear]

when you think about it

Russell had success going against Wilt
Wilt has some success going against Kareem
Kareem had success going against Hakeem
Hakeem had success going against Shaq
Shaq in his prime would destroy Dwight

The difference is, all those players actually played eachother in their primes. You're just going off your opinion on whether Shaq would "destroy" Dwight.

[Psileas]

Let's see: If ISH, especially these days, was asked if they'd rather build on Russell or Wilt, Russell would probably get more votes (or, at least, plenty of votes). If ISH was asked if they'd rather build on Howard or Ewing, Ewing would probably get more votes. If ISH was asked if they'd rather build on Wilt or Ewing, Wilt would get more votes. Yet, Russell vs Howard is supposed to be a debate?

[b1imtf]

when you think about it

Russell had success going against Wilt
Wilt has some success going against Kareem
Kareem had success going against Hakeem
Hakeem had success going against Shaq
Shaq in his prime would destroy Dwight

Great way to put things...

[Deuce Bigalow]

[QUOTE=jlauber]How many other basketball players could you say that about? Perhaps Russell would be another Ben Wallace, albeit a better passer...but that is not saying much. Sure, West, Robertson, and maybe a handful of others would be good players today, but all-stars?

[CavaliersFTW]

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I have too give him credit for some of his research, but that line right there isn't one of Jlaubers better quotes

[blablabla]

you can't be serious with this question

[MisterAmazing]

On paper? Dwight. In reality? Russell.

[CavaliersFTW]

On paper? Dwight. In reality? Russell.

Really? Cause on paper it sorta looks like this:

Dwight +23lbs in weight and +0.5" wingspan

BUT

Bill +0.63" height +1.5" standing reach +1.75" hands

the edge doesn't seem so obvious even on paper

[Brickz187]

If it was the Magic, Dwight easy and its not even close. I'd rather have the player who can actually carry the scoring load for the team and be great at defense and rebounds. What the hell is the Magic going to do with a player who averages 20 rebounds and like 10 points? They will be garbage every year. If its a team who has other great players who can actually score and doesn't depend on the Center to score, Russell easy. Either way, I never did and never will like Bill Russell's game.

[scandisk_]

The G.O.A.T Winner of course

[CavaliersFTW]

If it was the Magic, Dwight easy and its not even close. I'd rather have the player who can actually carry the scoring load for the team and be great at defense and rebounds. What the hell is the Magic going to do with a player who averages 20 rebounds and like 10 points? They will be garbage every year. If its a team who has other great players who can actually score and doesn't depend on the Center to score, Russell easy. Either way, I never did and never will like Bill Russell's game.

So then you'd draft the 19 year old player that only produced 16ppg in High School vs the 22 year old who avged 20ppg in NCAA? That's what they'd look like coming into the draft...