Is mid 2000's kobe the greatest scorer of all time?

[I<3NBA]

you can't be the greatest scorer of all time when you're not even on the top of the all time scoring list. wtf is this shit?

don't tell me you're grading scoring now on "aesthetics."



who cares about difficulty of shots or whatever. it's SCORING. whether it be ugly or whatever, it's all just about scoring. and so far, there's only one guy at the top of that list who has scored more than anybody else in the NBA.

so GTFOH with that Kobe greatest scorer all time bullshit. stop being delusional.

[Kblaze8855]

Wilt is someone I dont even know what to do with. On one hand...the numbers are what the yare. On the other....hes the only player ever asked to do what he did.

He played all but 6 minutes of a season...because he was ejected for a punch he threw.

So hes playing every blowout...every second. Hes asked to score 50...every night. And he has the most posessions in history to do it.

That he managed to just get up and down the court so many times as his size is a marvel...ever look at a legit 7'1'' player after a few minutes of running?

Wilt was going hard both ends 48 minutes a night.

But you cant deny is skews the numbers. Jordan at his peak spread over Wilt minutes....was at 44ppg.

Kobe was probably hovering around what? 40-42?

Another reason you cant just say its an issue of numbers.

[West-Side]

Wilt is someone I dont even know what to do with. On one hand...the numbers are what the yare. On the other....hes the only player ever asked to do what he did.

He played all but 6 minutes of a season...because he was ejected for a punch he threw.

So hes playing every blowout...every second. Hes asked to score 50...every night. And he has the most posessions in history to do it.

That he managed to just get up and down the court so many times as his size is a marvel...ever look at a legit 7'1'' player after a few minutes of running?

Wilt was going hard both ends 48 minutes a night.

But you cant deny is skews the numbers. Jordan at his peak spread over Wilt minutes....was at 44ppg.

Kobe was probably hovering around what? 40-42?

Another reason you cant just say its an issue of numbers.

For the season Kobe is posting numbers that are eerily similar to Michael Jordan's highest scoring campaign, 1986-87, when MJ scored 37.1 ppg, the best single season average by anyone other than Wilt (Wilt did better than that four times). Jordan averaged 5.2 rpg and 4.6 apg that year, while Kobe is currently averaging a virtually identical 5.5 rpg and 4.3 apg to go along with his 35.9 ppg. Kobe is averaging 40.6 mpg while Jordan played 40.0 mpg. The biggest differences are in field goal attempts, field goal percentage and three point shooting. Kobe is attempting almost three more shots per game than Jordan did, is averaging more than five three point shots attempted per game (Jordan shot less than one three pointer per game) and is shooting around .450 from the field while Jordan shot .482. On the surface those numbers make MJ seem to be a much more efficient scorer, but that is only if you ignore the impact of the three point shots. Kobe is not only shooting a lot more of them than Jordan did but he is also connecting at a much better rate, .346 to .182. When you consider the extra point that each of those makes are worth, add in both players' excellent free throw shooting and recalculate the shooting percentage on that basis you discover that Jordan's "true shooting percentage" in '87 is only slightly better than Kobe's this year. Yeah, but the Lakers are not winning that much, right? The Lakers are 24-20 now (.545 winning percentage), while the '87 Bulls finished 40-42 (.488). So Kobe is scoring almost as much as Jordan did in his highest scoring season with nearly the same true shooting percentage, virtually the same rebounding and assists numbers and his team is doing better than Jordan's did. The "heretical" MJ-Kobe comparisons are looking less and less outlandish--and I have always agreed with those who, until this point, felt that such comparisons were not valid.

This is exactly what I've been preaching last week here.
People don't give numbers context at all.

[GIF REACTION]

Also don't forget pace

[tpols]

Also don't forget pace

Wilt in his 50 ppg season was playing at a 131 pace lol..

For comparison sake 87 Jordan and 06 Kobe played at 96 and 91 pace respectively. Kobe by far played at the slowest pace while going off.

[Rocketswin2013]

Just no.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Early 90s Jordan
Mid 2000s Kobe
Late 80s Jordan
Late 90s Jordan / Late 2000s Kobe
2014 Durant
Early 2000s McGrady / Early 2000s Kobe
Early 2010s LeBron
Late 2000s LeBron / Late 2000s Wade
Early 2000s Iverson
2015 LeBron
Current Harden

[STATUTORY]

after adjusting for pace and defensive personnel, no doubt greatest scorer of all time in his peak

[DonDadda59]

Wilt in his 50 ppg season was playing at a 131 pace lol..

For comparison sake 87 Jordan and 06 Kobe played at 96 and 91 pace respectively. Kobe by far played at the slowest pace while going off.

30 year old 5'11" 165 lbs Iverson the same year as Kobe- 33 PPG on 92.7 pace.

And Iverson has 4 scoring titles to Kobe's 2. Overrated as shit.

[Rose'sACL]

KD is the best scorer since MJ.

[tpols]

30 year old 5'11" 165 lbs Iverson the same year as Kobe- 33 PPG on 92.7 pace.

And Iverson has 4 scoring titles to Kobe's 2. Overrated as shit.

Iverson is one of the greatest volume scorers ever man.. even baby iverson was putting up 27 ppg in the 90s, while making your boy MJ look like a downright fool

[jstern]

No, because most guards, despite age had career years that year. Rule changes.

[aj1987]

Iverson is one of the greatest volume scorers ever man.. even baby iverson was putting up 27 ppg in the 90s, while making your boy MJ look like a downright fool

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=jordami01

Iverson routinely destroyed MJ. 32, 37, 44, etc. and he was doing that on actually decent efficiency. This is coming from someone who HATES AI, BTW.

[West-Side]

30 year old 5'11" 165 lbs Iverson the same year as Kobe- 33 PPG on 92.7 pace.

And Iverson has 4 scoring titles to Kobe's 2. Overrated as shit.

Hey moron adjust their numbers in terms of efficiency and pace.
Kobe is almost identical to Jordan's career shooting; while Iverson is a good 4% behind both of them.

Kobe has way more impressive scoring accomplishments overall; the fact that you are talking about scoring titles just tells me how stupid you truly are. Scoring titles or almost any award is highly circumstantial.

I guess Nash is better than Shaq, you shit for brains.
Kobe did shit (scoring wise) that Iverson never sniffed in his life and did that on a substantially higher efficiency.

[catch24]

30 year old 5'11" 165 lbs Iverson the same year as Kobe- 33 PPG on 92.7 pace.

And Iverson has 4 scoring titles to Kobe's 2. Overrated as shit.

This dude is such a hater. Wow

Iverson is one of the greatest VOLUME scorers ever...