Why do people get so salty about Wilt Chamberlain?

[Marchesk]

Oscar: 6'5, 220
Steve Nash: 6'3, 180

Oscar averages 30.3/10.6/9 on 48.8% his first 8 years in the "weak" 60s, and is the only perimeter player to get an MVP.

Nash gets two MVPs during Wade and Kobe's prime.

[warriorfan]

Oscar: 6'5, 220
Steve Nash: 6'3, 180

Oscar averages 30.3/10.6/9 on 48.8% his first 8 years in the "weak" 60s, and is the only perimeter player to get an MVP.

Nash gets two MVPs during Wade and Kobe's prime.

Everyone knows STeve Nash'ss empty MVP's were fugazi so your argument doesn't work

[CarlosBoozer]

People want to know what's happening or what's going to happen with the current superstars, not everyone is interested in a player from the 60's though he was a great player, our generation is always in demand for new things, or players for instance.

We focus on the new and upcoming talented players , hype up potential star players and witness greatness happening before our eyes.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Did you notice in those highlight videos that not one time, in that entire video, did Wilt use his left hand? Not once. Even when "driving" left. Even when shooting over his right shoulder with his back to the basket.

If you go over your right shoulder with your right hand today, that's an automatic rejection. Especially if you don't body up the defender. And the little guys trying to block him were barely getting their wrist above the rim. In fact, almost no one even DID jump trying to block his shots. Even Russell and Kareem mostly stayed on the ground when Wilt went up. Today he'd be dealing with 7-foot athletes who are not only stronger than him, but who are getting their chins up to the rim, and their hands up near the top of the backboard.

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[Asukal]

Vid comes out about him shooting bank shots and fadeaways and it's a big hit elsewhere on the net but surprise surprise his closet haters come out the woodwork on ISH... When is the fake hate going to stop? Give the guy some credit already

Why would I stop trolling loseruss? It's fcking fun, the guy is a fish, bites every single time.

[CavaliersFTW]

Oscar: 6'5, 220
Steve Nash: 6'3, 180

Oscar averages 30.3/10.6/9 on 48.8% his first 8 years in the "weak" 60s, and is the only perimeter player to get an MVP.

Nash gets two MVPs during Wade and Kobe's prime.

Steve Nash is only 6-1 without shoes too, to Oscar's 6-4 and 3/4 so Oscar isn't just bigger and stronger than Nash, he's WAY bigger and stronger

[Jameerthefear]

Weak ass era. I won't allow Lazercuck and CuckFTW to spread their lies on this forum.

[warriorfan]

Weak ass era. I won't allow Lazercuck and CuckFTW to spread their lies on this forum.

don't you have to have a lady to be a cuck?

[Jameerthefear]

don't you have to have a lady to be a cuck?

No. A lot of men are cucks

[salwan]

jokes aside.

put a talent like wilt with his measures and coordination under today's physical and skill training methods and you can mould him at least into the best rim protector / paint defender in the league. by a wide margin.

his quickness, 2nd jump, recovery time, change of direction etc. would obviously not be at the same level as today's 6feet9 small-ball centers, but for his size and length it would be at historical unprecedented levels. in a more conservative pick-n-roll defensive scheme he would be unbelievably good.

if a slow bum like hibbert has fantastic opp.FG% at the rim and is regarded as a good rim protector (his offense hurts his team tho), why not wilt?

paint scoring is obviously much harder today with all the rule changes. but I refuse to believe Wilt would be a minus on that end. put the ball in his hands 5-7 feet from the rim and it's an automatic hook shot with his size advantage. put him in pick-n-rolls or just lob it to him DeAndre style. he would always draw a defender with his offensive rebounding. you can't just sag off of him. look at tristan thompson, his defender can't let him get a head start, otherwise it's an off.board.

[Westbrook0]

jokes aside.

put a talent like wilt with his measures and coordination under today's physical and skill training methods and you can mould him at least into the best rim protector / paint defender in the league. by a wide margin.

his quickness, 2nd jump, recovery time, change of direction etc. would obviously not be at the same level as today's 6feet9 small-ball centers, but for his size and length it would be at historical unprecedented levels. in a more conservative pick-n-roll defensive scheme he would be unbelievably good.

if a slow bum like hibbert has fantastic opp.FG% at the rim and is regarded as a good rim protector (his offense hurts his team tho), why not wilt?

paint scoring is obviously much harder today with all the rule changes. but I refuse to believe Wilt would be a minus on that end. put the ball in his hands 5-7 feet from the rim and it's an automatic hook shot with his size advantage. put him in pick-n-rolls or just lob it to him DeAndre style. he would always draw a defender with his offensive rebounding. you can't just sag off of him. look at tristan thompson, his defender can't let him get a head start, otherwise it's an off.board.

But see you're entirely missing the point.

We're not talking about cloning Wilt Chamberlain and raising his fetus from scratch with modern training methods and knowledge of today's game and standards. We're talking about what would happen if you took prime Wilt back in the 60s and transported him into the modern game, what would happen?

And the answer is, very clearly, he would still be a quality center because of his athleticism and size but his game itself would struggle mightily to adapt to the modern game.

[salwan]

But see you're entirely missing the point.

We're not talking about cloning Wilt Chamberlain and raising his fetus from scratch with modern training methods and knowledge of today's game and standards. We're talking about what would happen if you took prime Wilt back in the 60s and transported him into the modern game, what would happen?

And the answer is, very clearly, he would still be a quality center because of his athleticism and size but his game itself would struggle mightily to adapt to the modern game.

I understand, Sir.

but how much does such a conversation make sense then?
it's clearly unfair, since the game has grown so much and today's players have an advantage in technology, training methods and analytics, no?

to answer your question, i don't think he would be a mcgee-type scrub, like some are portraying him (jokingly I assume).
if he focused on playing defense and not doing too much on ofense, I guess he'd be a DeAndre 2.0, who is a 11/15 player, so pretty fecking great

remember that stretch of 20/20 games from DeAndre, when Griffin was out injured? wilt could probably do it more frequently. he'd need a great point guard though, I concede that. and great shooting around him to space the floor.

[salwan]

bill russell is an even more interesting case.

his defense would translate better to the present game (than wilt's), since at 6ft10 he was quicker, more explosive (2nd and 3rd jumps in particular), great at covering the floor.

he'd be perfect as a small-ball five. something like a draymond 2.0 on defense. quick enough to hedge, help on the perimeter and recover back, but still strong enough to box out the big boys under the basket. not to mention his communication, organisation skills and intangibles.

however, it could get iffy on the offensive end.
he'd not be able to pick-n-pop and space the floor like draymond does.
on the other hand, he was a great pick setter, rebounder and a wonderful passer, so he probably could play the role of a Joakim Noah.

defenses started to sag off of Noah though - since he can't shoot - closing out the passing lines when he has the ball. with great shooters around him he could probably do some damage with dribble hand-offs and such.

I don't know, maybe he was a better ball handler than Noah and could drive to the basket when the defense sags off. I'm not sure.

Maybe he would be neutral on offense at best. with great shooters and a stretch four around him, his huge impact on defense would overwhelm his negatives on offense for sure.

[julizaver]

But see you're entirely missing the point.

We're not talking about cloning Wilt Chamberlain and raising his fetus from scratch with modern training methods and knowledge of today's game and standards. We're talking about what would happen if you took prime Wilt back in the 60s and transported him into the modern game, what would happen?

And the answer is, very clearly, he would still be a quality center because of his athleticism and size but his game itself would struggle mightily to adapt to the modern game.

On a summer day in the early 1980s at the Men's Gym on the UCLA campus, Chamberlain showed up to take part in one of the high-octane pickup games that the arena constantly attracted. Brown was the coach of the Bruins back then, and Chamberlain often drove to UCLA from his home in Bel Air, Calif.
"Magic Johnson used to run the games," Brown recalled Tuesday after hearing that Chamberlain, his friend, had died at the age of 63, "and he called a couple of chintzy fouls and a goaltending on Wilt.
"So Wilt said: 'There will be no more layups in this gym,' and he blocked every shot after that. That's the truth, I saw it. He didn't let one (of Johnson's) shots get to the rim."
Chamberlain would have been in his mid-40s at the time, a decade removed from one of the greatest careers any basketball player ever produced. But the advancing years meant little to Chamberlain in terms of physical conditioning.

Brown is Larry Brown ... coach of multiple NBA team over the last few decades.

[julizaver]

Some more about Wilt's conditioning - a part of Mark Eaton story:

The 7-foot-4 Eaton, who still holds the single-season record with an average of 5.56 per game in 1984-85, is a different story. An aspiring auto mechanic who was persuaded to play basketball at a junior college, then sat the bench at UCLA, he was largely ineffective before reaching the pros. In the summer of 1981, while playing a pick-up game at UCLA, he received some unsolicited advice from Wilt Chamberlain , who was then in his forties but still running the floor against men half his age.