So the general consensus is that Lebron is above Kobe

[JohnMax]

The fact that Lebron has made this easy task of surpassing Kobe very difficult should tell you he's overrated.

[Sportal]

Kobe has always had one of the best franchises in the league. People forget that even when LeBron was bashing on the league, people would pack up and still move to LA, rather than Cleveland.

Your franchise makes your career as much as your teams do.

Kobe has had the best teams, the best FO, and the best market leading franchise. Leading to the better overall career.

LeBron is the better player.

Switch one thing (which teams they played for) and the question would be:

"Jordan or LeBron?"

Because LeBron vs Kobe wouldn't be on anyone's radar. And if the Cavs worked in the same way with Kobe, as they did LeBron, Kobe would have left as soon as possible.

[DMAVS41]

Kobe has always had one of the best franchises in the league. People forget that even when LeBron was bashing on the league, people would pack up and still move to LA, rather than Cleveland.

Your franchise makes your career as much as your teams do.

Kobe has had the best teams, the best FO, and the best market leading franchise. Leading to the better overall career.

LeBron is the better player.

Switch one thing (which teams they played for) and the question would be:

"Jordan or LeBron?"

Because LeBron vs Kobe wouldn't be on anyone's radar. And if the Cavs worked in the same way with Kobe, as they did LeBron, Kobe would have left as soon as possible.

So playing for the Lakers gives Lebron magical powers and gives him solid footwork in the post and a reliable jumper under pressure?

Cool...

[dubeta]

So playing for the Lakers gives Lebron magical powers and gives him solid footwork in the post and a reliable jumper under pressure?

Cool...

It gives him something greater...

[nzahir]

Lebron top 20 at best kobe top 5

Facts

Yes lebron is in the top 20, he is number 2

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

So playing for the Lakers gives Lebron magical powers and gives him solid footwork in the post and a reliable jumper under pressure?

Cool...

No point in talkin to Bran stans about skills, fundamentals and technique. They have no idea what they are

[DMAVS41]

It gives him something greater...

Yep. Great.

And if Lebron had won 5 titles with Shaq and a couple more on his own...he'd still be a worse player than MJ.

Only thing Lebron will potentially have on MJ is longevity....every other ship has sailed.

[dubeta]

Yep. Great.

And if Lebron had won 5 titles with Shaq and a couple more on his own...he'd still be a worse player than MJ.

Only thing Lebron will potentially have on MJ is longevity....every other ship has sailed.

So hypothetically Lebron with 7-8 rings, 5-6 FMVP, 5-6 MVPs is worse than Jordan??

[nzahir]

No point in talkin to Bran stans about skills, fundamentals and technique. They have no idea what they are

Who shoots a better 3 point percentage again...o ya bron. Even though apparently he cant shoot and has no real skills right, and they both shoot exactly the same amount for career(4.0 a game).
Who shoots better in the post again....Bron. Who shoots better percentage overall again....bron.
Who is a better rebounder...bron. Who is a much much better playmaker and passer...u guessed it-bron. Who can guard more positions again...bron.
Now tell me what kobe is better at again; mid range jumpers is all he got but too bad a mid range contested jumper isnt as easy as a drive to the basket or post up.
THESE ARE ALL FACTS

[Sportal]

Yep. Great.

And if Lebron had won 5 titles with Shaq and a couple more on his own...he'd still be a worse player than MJ.

Only thing Lebron will potentially have on MJ is longevity....every other ship has sailed.

Yeah, but as I said, if it were the case the topic of Kobe vs LeBron wouldn't exist. It would be LeBron vs Jordan. I never said who wins.

Switch franchises and the Kobe vs LeBron wouldn't even be a thing.

[SpecialQue]

This is adorable. Someday you'll get over Lebron losing in the finals again, I promise.

[Cold soul]

Kobe well ranked above Lebron he needs at least another ring to above Kobe majority have Kobe over Lebron more accomplished much better career greater champion.

[Sportal]

Kobe well ranked above Lebron he needs at least another ring to above Kobe majority have Kobe over Lebron more accomplished much better career greater champion.

Because of, and only because of: much better teams, much better franchise, much better FO.

[KembaWalker]

So hypothetically Lebron with 7-8 rings, 5-6 FMVP, 5-6 MVPs is worse than Jordan??

You think LeBron would even sniff a FMVP/MVP playing alongside prime Shaq

[Cold soul]

Because of, and only because of: much better teams, much better franchise, much better FO.

It has something to do with it but not all for instance Lebron didn't take over until old guard got old and exciting their primes those bring Shaq, Kobe, and Duncan. Lebron took over as leagues best player 2010 at a perfect time kind of like MJ in early 90's. I'll take Kobe at his best over Lebron come postseason time he has those intangibles you can't teach along with will to win and killer instinct. Kobe had to face much tougher teams in brutal Western Conference just look at all 50+ teams he had to beat reaching the Finals it's crazy impressive something Lebron never did in pathetic weak East.