real franchise players past decade until now

[Real14]

Shaq not 1st tier




3 FMVP
1 MVP
4 chips
15x AS
2 scoring titles
8 time first team


I could go on and on

He said since 04 tho.

[Smook A.]

He said since 04 tho.

Shaq was the best center in the league up until the 06-07 season

[pastis]

Why do you have Dirk and Durant as 1st tier but not KG or Wade? Both of them are easily franchise players.

Dirk is 12 all-nba team, MVP, FMVP, with legendary playoff run, making 10.2 ppg 4th quarter in the playoffs on 51/53/94, while not having any all-star or all-nba player as a m8t.
Saying that, to reach 12 all-nba teams as a forward is way more difficult than to reach the all-nba team as a guard.
dirk fights and foughts for the all-nba team with prime duncan, garnett, lebron, durant, in other words players who are all in the top 20 all time. not mentionning griffin, melo, lma etc. pp, while for the guard spot, at least until 2-3 years ago, it was only between cp3, kobe and wade. so you could argue that kobe, cp3 and wade had a lock for the all-nba team selection, especially beause e.g. kidd had his last all-nba selection in 2004. now with the rising of westbrook and harden its a little bit different, but still, its harder to reach the Forward spot than the guard spot.

[kenny817]

I think Dirk is on the same tier as KG, maybe Wade too. Where would you have Dwight & CP3?

And I think you're a dumbass

[SouBeachTalents]

And I think you're a dumbass

And you are a badass hurling insults behind your computer

[The JKidd Kid]

Wade and KG>>>>>>>>>>> Dirk and Durant

[pastis]

Wade and KG>>>>>>>>>>> Dirk and Durant

the most important thing is, that you believe on that my little boy

[Real14]

Wade and KG>>>>>>>>>>> Dirk and Durant

[The JKidd Kid]

the most important thing is, that you believe on that my little boy

One of us clearly has a bias that is clouding their judgement lol and Ill give you a hint. Its the guy with one of those players in his profile picture.

[La Frescobaldi]

Shaq was the best center in the league up until the 06-07 season

but never again the franchise player on his team after he left LA

[dubeta]

1st LeBron





2nd Duncan, Shaq, Kg



3rd Pau Gasol, Russell Westbrook, Dirk


4th Wade, Melo

[CelticBaller]

How is KG not 1st tier if dirk is? how is Pau in the same tier as KG?

what the **** is wrong with you?

[CelticBaller]

And I think you're a dumbass

how is he wrong?

What is the argument against Wade?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Why do you have Dirk and Durant as 1st tier but not KG or Wade? Both of them are easily franchise players.

Seriously ...

Wade was taking the Heat to the playoffs, upsetting teams, and challenging much superior teams his first year in the league.

His 2nd year in the league, if it wasn't for injury, he was sodomizing the defending champions and one of the best defenses in the league.

He has 3 rings. Dirk has UNO. And Dirk's MVP season is inferior to Wade's best season, 2009 from an individual, and statistical stand point.



Hell, Wade's 2007 season before his shoulder injury he was EASILY the better basketball player compared to Dirk. True MVP quality. Plus, didn't Dwyane TORCH Dirk's team in the 2006 Finals as well?



Hell, Dirk should be on Pierce's level as 2nd tier.

1st tier:
LeBron, Duncan, KG, Kobe, Wade, Durant

2nd tier:
Dirk, Pierce, Carter, Nash, Melo, D. Rose

3rd tier:
Westbrook, Gasol, Amare, Kyrie, Bosh, Harden, etc.

[SugarHill]

How is KG not 1st tier if dirk is? how is Pau in the same tier as KG?

what the **** is wrong with you?

Honestly.