What exactly is the argument for Kobe still being over LeBron?

[ArbitraryWater]

15-16 Curry was almost rule-changing level.

Anyway. Kobe is a better scorer, shooter, post-player, and man defender than lebron as I've stated previously. Kobe also has more rings. I can list plenty of Kobe accolades but I'm pretty sure you guys are familiar with them. Kobe being over Lebron or Lebron being over Kobe comes down to how you value rings. Same as how people value MVPs.

Kobe is not a better scorer by any point of evidence, he's never ranked as well in the post as Bron did in the '12 playoffs, or '13-'14. And him being a better man defender is very limited, considering he's only really a better man defender in perhaps a one possession limit.

[warriorfan]

So, if I've got this right, here are the arguments for why Kobe is better than LeBron


1. LeBron is a colluding cheater
2. LeBron flops
3. LeBron plays in a weak conference
4. LeBron plays on stacked teams
5. LeBron gets helped by the refs and Silver
6. Kobe has more RANGZ



Notice how none of those reasons have anything to do with the ability of LeBron or Kobe as a player?

All of those are directly linked with the ability of the player

Kobe doesn't flop

Kobe doesn't jump ship when the going gets tough

Kobe doesn't collude

Kobe doesn't offensive foul all the time to get to the hoop

Kobe doesn't pout after trash talk

Kobe's mom isn't getting plowed by da real lambo

Kobe is just a more respectable player and all around better person

[RRR3]

All of those are directly linked with the ability of the player

Kobe doesn't flop false

Kobe doesn't jump ship when the going gets tough didn't have to. He tried, though.

Kobe doesn't collude

Kobe doesn't offensive foul all the time to get to the hoop LeBron doesn't smack people in the face

Kobe doesn't pout after trash talk irrelevant and an opinion

Kobe's mom isn't getting plowed by da real lamb literally has nothing to do with anything

Kobe is just a more respectable player and all around better person LeBron was never accused of rape

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[Doranku]

He doesn't really have one after these finals. LeBron is top 5, Kobe is top 10.

[warriorfan]

lebron bowed out and took the easy road

kobe stayed true to his team and city and did it the right way

spin it how you want

doesn't change the facts

[TheWinningFam]

lebron bowed out and took the easy road

kobe stayed true to his team and city and did it the right way

spin it how you want

doesn't change the facts

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/ko...y-no-1-choice/

[warriorfan]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/ko...y-no-1-choice/

Kobe was using the trade request and leverage to make sure the Lakers ownership would give him something to work with besides Smush Parker and Kwami Brown.

It worked and Kobe lead his originally drafted team to back to back championships

[TheWinningFam]

Kobe was using the trade request and leverage to make sure the Lakers ownership would give him something to work with besides Smush Parker and Kwami Brown.

It worked and Kobe lead his originally drafted team to back to back championships

You cant use a trade request and leverage read what you just typed
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/ko...y-no-1-choice/

[red1]

He doesn't really have one after these finals. LeBron is top 5, Kobe is top 10.

I never thought I would see this. On one hand we have [COLOR="Black"]p[/COLOR]ussies like stalker going back on their word after saying they'll leave if the warriors lose. Pu[COLOR="Black"]s[/COLOR]sies who now claim the NBA is rigged.

On the other hand we have Doranku. Salute.

[Dictator]

Kobe is not a better scorer by any point of evidence, he's never ranked as well in the post as Bron did in the '12 playoffs, or '13-'14. And him being a better man defender is very limited, considering he's only really a better man defender in perhaps a one possession limit.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...bryanko01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...jamesle01.html

Check the advanced shooting stats especially without Kobe's injury years. Kobe is a better scorer.

Even with Kobe's 97, 98, 14, 15, 16 years added, his numbers still aren't that bad compared to Lebron.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

[JebronLames]

He doesn't really have one after these finals. LeBron is top 5, Kobe is top 10.

idiot Kobe Stan. LeBron is top 3, buddy.

Make an objective post for once.

[Smoke117]

I find it interesting that the only two decent arguments I've gotten in this thread are from non-Kobe fans playing devil's advocate.

What did you expect? The kobe stans are far and away the dumbest posters here. They don't know anything about basketball.

[Real14]

Look at kobe's finals record. With or without Shaq he had still had a better record. He didn't have to get reggie miller, hedo, iverson, shuttlesworth or Pierce suspended in a finals game for no reason. Wasnt scared to enter a damn dunk contest. Never with two top 10 prime superstars in his prime. Better scorer, more clutch and way better fighter. Lebron has more asterisks and more help from refs. Better looking wife. Jordan respect him a lot more than lebron too. How many stars today will actually lie and say that Bronna is better all time? should I go on?? This is too damn easy.

[Mr Feeny]

No. You forgot to mention the fact that Kobe has 5rings compared to Lebron's 3. Lebron's rings count but they simply don't compare to the value of Kobes. You're trying to give a player full credit for eliminating competition. Russell has 11 rings but MJ is still considered the goat. Context is key.

And what year was Lebron better than this years Curry?

I can't even begin to imagine how high someone must be to make a statement this stupid.

[TheWinningFam]

Look at kobe's finals record. With or without Shaq he had still had a better record. He didn't have to get reggie miller, hedo, iverson, shuttlesworth or Pierce suspended in a finals game for no reason. Wasnt scared to enter a damn dunk contest. Never with two top 10 prime superstars in his prime. Better scorer, more clutch and way better fighter. Lebron has more asterisks and more help from refs. Better looking wife. Jordan respect him a lot more than lebron too. How many stars today will actually lie and say that Bronna is better all time? should I go on?? This is too damn easy.

Again using ad homs and personal opinions rather than stating facts or statistics that back up your claim

''but bran stans are retarded''