Warriors gameplan is almost entirely based on exploiting rules

[3ball]

The thriple threat PLAYER(pass, shoot, drive)

You said Jordan was a ball-dominant player before Phil, when that's completely false - it's ignorant of his game - he scored a small proportion of his points off-the-dribble.

It seems you need to refresh your memory - so go re-watch at ANY game - MJ scored most of his points off-ball or from the triple-threat position (pre-dribble, stationary position), or the post.

Maybe you don't know what the "triple threat POSITION" is, but you should google it or youtube.. It's basketball 101 (pre-dribble, stationary position)

[tpols]

It's really interesting how I am proved right with the 'slow' part.

You don't seem to realize the fundamental aspect of the thriple threat, but ok fundamentals are dead.

The thriple threat player (pass, shoot, drive) keeps his opponent on toes, can't guard too closely or you get blown by.

The different is that now because of the rules, every quick guard becomes a thriple threat player forcing defenders to sag off, leaving room to shoot.

what the hell are you talking about?


Curry and Klay have been dominating with live dribbles, PnRs where they drag big guy out and hit over fingertips, and spot up shots with guys blanketed all over them.


triple threat? that hasnt been their game at all. wow.. you are WAY off on this one, pal.

[Showtime80']

Beautiful, simple and to the point post Da Realist!!!

The modern basketball mentally from AAU onward that has been going on for years since Michael Jordan exploded in the late 80's, is making players actually MISMANAGE their physical and athletic gifts by completely MOVING AWAY from fundamentals and basketball IQ.

Michael Jordan had ALL TIME ATHLETIC ABILITY but that's not what made him the greatest. The fundamental mastery of basketball at a basic level from a young age to his three years under Dean Smith at UNC is what allowed him to absolutely blow the lid off the physical gifts he had. Go watch Michael Jordan from 1996 to 98', that was ALL FUNDAMENTALS AND BASKETBALL IQ! That Michael Jordan way of playing in those last few years CANNOT AND WILL NOT BE DUPLICATED by the modern players who play the game in a simple dumbed down nature just getting by on their athleticism. Once that's gone, they're going to be DONE!!!

Kevin Durant should have an absolutely UNSTOPPABLE POST GAME!!! But he does not have the mastery of basic principles of basketball positioning and footwork to utilize his physical gifts to the fullest potential in that area.

Hell Shaun Livingston, an bench scrub for the Warriors should actually hold friggin camps for NBA players on actually learning how to get good position in the post and getting a good shot off virtually ANY TIME YOU WANT!!!

The league is headed in a very DANGEROUS DIRECTION!

[90sgoat]

You said Jordan was a ball-dominant player before Phil, when that's completely false - it's ignorant of his game - he scored a small proportion of his points off-the-dribble.

It seems you need to refresh your memory - so go re-watch at ANY game - MJ scored most of his points off-ball or from the triple-threat position (pre-dribble, stationary position), or the post.

Maybe you don't know what the "triple threat POSITION" is, but you should google it or youtube.. It's basketball 101 (pre-dribble, stationary position)

I know full well what the thriple threath is and Jordan was a master at it, the best ever at it.

Doesn't change the fact that Jordan was more ball dominant in his pre-Phil years than later EVEN THOUGH he was much less ball dominant than current players like Lebron etc.

COMPARED to post-Phil he was more ball dominant, but yes, already as a rookie and young player he got points within the game, however he did look more his shot and got players less involved.

For example in the 2nd 3 peat Bulls would often get Longley going in the first quarter and MJ would be quit ON PURPOSE simply to get the others going. In his first couple of seasons MJ was all about attacking every play, from first second. This is the difference.

Not objectively ball dominant, but RELATIVELY more ball dominant.

[SexSymbol]

I will say this as nicely as possible, most you lot are slow.

Slow in the head. Most of that is because you're dumb teens, but some are just slow. The most intelligent are Jordan and 80/90s fans. You the bess

The Warriors are an exploititative team. Their gameplan is extremely era and rule based.

Let's see:

1) Defensive 3 seconds

This means opposing team can't camp their big center in the lane, which means Klay and particularly Curry can waltz into the paint for open layups. This means defenders have to sag off on Klay/Curry more than optimal.

2) No handchecking/No impeding

Like 1) this makes defenders sag off both Klay and Curry making it literally impossible to defend. Of course this is true for Lillard, Irving and many others too, but GSW exploit it like no others like with 1).

3) Moving screens

These take two forms. First is moving while setting the actual screen, sticking out a hip. Second is moving back and forth just before you 'officially' attempt to set a screen. This is the worse, because it allows Curry to choose which side to drive. 90% of screen todays would be called illegal in 80/90s.

4) Carry/Palming

8/10 of Currys fancy dribbles would be called carry and palming in the 80s and 90s.

Conclusion:

No team exploits the unbalanced And-1 rules of the current NBA. It would simply not be legal to play like GSW does in the 80s and 90s.

Most of your points are just completely stupid.
You could palm the ball and dribble the same way in the 90s, nothing changed, just skill and preference.
First point is completely stupid, if you don't know anything about NBA strategy, why even bother?
Every team in the NBA does moving screens a few times a game and gets away with it.
Hand checking does close to nothing to players that focus mostly on shooting jumpshots

[90sgoat]

Most of your points are just completely stupid.
You could palm the ball and dribble the same way in the 90s, nothing changed, just skill and preference.
First point is completely stupid, if you don't know anything about NBA strategy, why even bother?
Every team in the NBA does moving screens a few times a game and gets away with it.
Hand checking does close to nothing to players that focus mostly on shooting jumpshots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgMbhTj8HcU

"...Here's the problem, though: A good many players have changed the crossover into the carryover. What's worse, with very few exceptions, they're being allowed to blatantly palm the ball by referees on every level, which only encourages more illegal dribbles.

Even the inventor is disturbed by it.

"I never carried the ball," Hardaway said. "My hands stayed on top of the ball. I was never like Allen Iverson or some of the guys today who drag the ball and carry the ball in order to get around the defense...."

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/feature...ardaway-cross/

[SexSymbol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgMbhTj8HcU

"...Here's the problem, though: A good many players have changed the crossover into the carryover. What's worse, with very few exceptions, they're being allowed to blatantly palm the ball by referees on every level, which only encourages more illegal dribbles.

Even the inventor is disturbed by it.

"I never carried the ball," Hardaway said. "My hands stayed on top of the ball. I was never like Allen Iverson or some of the guys today who drag the ball and carry the ball in order to get around the defense...."

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/feature...ardaway-cross/

Iverson came into the league in 96, that's the middle of the 90s.
Isiah used to do the "carry" crossover quite often too.
Opinions of a few bitter old players do not matter when you're arguing a fact

[tpols]

thats funny ..


I was watching the MJ documentary that was on in NBA TV on sunday I believe, and they had a clip of Dean Smith talking about how he got Jordan to master fundamentals at UNC, and Dean chuckles at the end when talking about college vs pros saying that pros could get away with anything they want (refering to traveling and dribbling) .. and that was in the early 80s ..


so you know all these 90s guys complaining about it today are completely full of sh!t.

[90sgoat]

Iverson came into the league in 96, that's the middle of the 90s.
Isiah used to do the "carry" crossover quite often too.
Opinions of a few bitter old players do not matter when you're arguing a fact

You have literally posted no FACTS.

There's a reason Hardway's crossover looked like that, because it was illegal to do the Iverson crossover and the Iverson crossover is what every single later player came to emulate.

[90sgoat]

thats funny ..


I was watching the MJ documentary that was on in NBA TV on sunday I believe, and they had a clip of Dean Smith talking about how he got Jordan to master fundamentals at UNC, and Dean chuckles at the end when talking about college vs pros saying that pros could get away with anything they want (refering to traveling and dribbling) .. and that was in the early 80s ..


so you know all these 90s guys complaining about it today are completely full of sh!t.

I think you honestly compete for most ignorant ISH poster.

Don't you realize it was true then too?

That the game has gotten consistently laxer with rules.

[SexSymbol]

You have literally posted no FACTS.

There's a reason Hardway's crossover looked like that, because it was illegal to do the Iverson crossover and the Iverson crossover is what every single later player came to emulate.

It wasn't illegal and for quite some time too.
Isiah used to do that in 91.
Watch some games man, have you never seen any of the early 90s MJ games or something?

[3ball]

thats funny ..


I was watching the MJ documentary that was on in NBA TV on sunday I believe, and they had a clip of Dean Smith talking about how he got Jordan to master fundamentals at UNC, and Dean chuckles at the end when talking about college vs pros saying that pros could get away with anything they want (refering to traveling and dribbling) .. and that was in the early 80s ..


so you know all these 90s guys complaining about it today are completely full of sh!t.

The 80's got away with way more shit than the 60's and 70's.

That's the way it goes as time goes on - but if one era had to play by the rules of the PREVIOUS era, they'd be screwed and worse ballplayers.

and OP is right - the Warriors stretch the rules more than anyone

[tpols]

The 80's got away with way more shit than the 60's and 70's.

That's the way it goes as time goes on - but if one era had to play by the rules of the PREVIOUS era, they'd be screwed and worse ballplayers.

and OP is right - the Warriors stretch the rules more than anyone

no ... you're just wrapped in an endless cycle of nostalgia. Sure there was a tipping point at some time, probably in the 70s, whenever it was, where it became "looser" and its been that way ever since. 90s Jordan era had one of the worst offenders of all time for this in Allen Iverson.. and he was allowed to do it whenever, however he wanted. Your idol MJ, too palming the ball with those mits all game long..


it doesnt depend on the era in this case but the player. For example look at dribbling motions of curry vs klay. Klay dribbles straight line old school style, while curry likes to dance. Both dominated, some players are looser with their handles than others and its been that way for many decades.

[oarabbus]

Clearly this guy lives in the past and didn't see Curry getting hand checked throughout multiple series

[LebronsHairline]

Then these guys are smart. You dumb-as-fvck if you don't. It's better than Lebron's gameplan which is: "Collude & Flop".