Originally Posted by 3ball
MJ assisted teammates more than Pippen during the 1st three-peat, and also during the 2nd three-peat - these are the statistical facts, as shown above.
In addition to leading the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats, MJ also scored at least 10 ppg more than Pippen FOR EVERY PLAYOFF SERIES.
No one else in history was required to score THAT much more than their 2nd option for every playoff series, AND lead the team in passing.. No one is even close to that kind of burden.
Heck, Lebron has many series where he wasn't even the team's leading scorer - that's a far cry from scoring 10 ppg more for than his 2nd option for every series of his career.
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03-23-2016, 01:22 AM #46NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
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03-23-2016, 01:25 AM #47Very good NBA starter
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He had already had that privilege for 4 years. Originally Posted by Bankaii
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03-23-2016, 01:48 AM #48Great college starter
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What is your malfunction dude? Originally Posted by 3ball
I just told you that you can't group the 3-peats together as one giant entity. Every season is independent, and Pippen was the leading assist man in 3 of the Bulls' championship runs.
Here's an example of your logic:
Player A averages 10 apg for a title run and then 1 apg for a title run the following year.
Player B averages 2 apg for a title run and 8 apg for a title run the following year.
You are trying to say player A was the leading assist man for both title runs because he averaged more assists combined in both seasons. It doesn't work that way, because the first season has absolutely nothing to do with the next. Player A led the first year, player B the second year. Jordan led the Bulls in assists for 3 title runs, Pippen led the Bulls in assists for 3 title runs. I don't know what is so hard to grasp about that.
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03-23-2016, 04:06 AM #49NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
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Originally Posted by 3ball
Any 6th grader can look at the above information and answer the following questions: Originally Posted by GrapeApe
[COLOR="Navy"]Who was the biggest playmaker on the Bulls during the 1st three-peat?[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkRed"]Answer: It was MJ because he assisted on the highest percentage of field goals.[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"]Who was the biggest playmaker on the Bulls during the 2nd three-peat?[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkRed"]Answer: It was MJ because he assisted on the highest percentage of field goals.[/COLOR]
What more do you want?.. In addition to leading the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats, MJ also scored at least 10 ppg more than Pippen for every playoff series of their careers.
No one else in history was required to score THAT much more than their 2nd option for every playoff series of their careers, AND lead the team in passing.. No one is even close to that kind of burden.
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03-23-2016, 04:30 AM #50Top 3 Family
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Like Kobe? Originally Posted by Magic 32
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03-23-2016, 05:28 AM #51Local High School Star
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Some examples, or near examples:
Larry Bird: best player on the Celtics as soon as he joined the team in 1979. He misses pretty much all of the 1988-89 season, and played 3 more seasons with an injured back. You can argue he was the best Celtic for those last 3 years. He was certainly the most productive statistically and garnered more MVP votes. As a testament to his value, the 1990-91 Celtics had a great start and were the best team in the NBA a couple months in. As soon as Bird's health suffered, so did the Celtics. He looked like he was in slow-motion on the court toward the end, and still averaged 20, 10, and 7 (rounded up) in 45 games in his last season.
Karl Malone: I despise this hebephelic, 12-year old neighbor impregnating, elbow-throwing, child-abandoning, dirtbag but being the best player on your team for 17 of 19 (his rookie and last being the exception) seasons is pretty damn incredible.
Tim Duncan: The best player on the Spurs from his rookie year all the way until probably last season when Leonard surpassed him. The Spurs are very balanced and the past few years are closer than earlier years when Duncan was far and away the best on the team, but Duncan was still probably overall the best and had the most impact of any player on the Spurs. 1997-98 through 2013-14, Duncan was the best player on the Spurs. Extremely impressive to say the least.
Hakeem Olajuwon: Already the best player on the Rockets, over Sampson, in his rookie season. Was arguably the best center in the game in his second year in 1985-86. The best player on his team for his first 15 seasons. Then came the last 3. Ugh.
Most players will eventually get surpassed as they age.Last edited by Stringer Bell; 03-23-2016 at 06:13 AM.
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03-23-2016, 06:18 AM #52Local High School Star
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Yeah, I'd agree that Magic took over as the best player on the Lakers during the 1981-82 season. Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
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03-23-2016, 01:03 PM #53Let's Talks Numbers
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Originally Posted by Stringer Bell
Bolded is the BIGGEST CROCK OF SHIT I've read on this board. And that's saying ALOT. The revisionist history, however, is impressive.
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03-23-2016, 04:02 PM #54Local High School Star
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Who was better than Duncan on the Spurs from when he started his decline in the late 2000s? Parker? Ginobili? Originally Posted by 34-24 Footwork
He was still better and more impactful than them, just by a smaller margin in the late 00s and early 10s, until Leonard really improved.
The Spurs are just a great balanced team with terrific coaching and an excellent system.Last edited by Stringer Bell; 03-23-2016 at 04:04 PM.
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03-23-2016, 04:13 PM #55Great college starter
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You are continuing to ignore my point, as usual. Answer this question. It's a simple yes or no question. Did Pippen lead the Bulls in total assists and apg for the 1992, 1996, and 1998 championship runs? I don't need any information about what else Jordan did or Pippen didn't do. Just a yes or no answer. Originally Posted by 3ball
Pippen led the Bulls in total assists and apg in the playoffs in 1992, 1996, and 1998. Yes or no.
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03-23-2016, 04:17 PM #56RIP P
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CP3 has been the best on all his teams.
2014 is the only year that's somewhat debateable but I'll easily take him over Griffin on my team.
Other than that, David West and Blake Griffin were never better than him.
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I'll answer your questions when you answer my questions: Originally Posted by GrapeApe
[COLOR="Navy"]Who was the biggest playmaker on the Bulls during the 1st three-peat?[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkRed"]Answer:[/color] [color="white"]It was MJ because he assisted on the highest percentage of field goals during the 1st three-peat, as the data shows above.[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"]Who was the biggest playmaker on the Bulls during the 2nd three-peat?[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkRed"]Answer:[/color][color="white"] It was MJ because he assisted on the highest percentage of field goals during the 2nd three-peat, as the data shows above.[/COLOR]
What more do you want?.. In addition to leading the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats, MJ also scored at least 10 ppg more than Pippen for every playoff series of their careers.
No one else in history was required to score THAT much more than their 2nd option for every playoff series of their careers, AND lead the team in passing.. No one is even close to that kind of burden.
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03-23-2016, 06:45 PM #58Great college starter
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Jordan was the top playmaker in 1991, 1993, and 1997. You are trying to combine what Jordan did those years and apply it to other seasons as part of a 3-peat, while at the same time talking about individual playoff series in different seasons. You don't see the flaw in that logic? Originally Posted by 3ball
You cannot reference statistics from 3 combined seasons and apply them to individual seasons. I'll say it again, every season is independent. The only correct way to state it is that Jordan was the top playmaker in 1991, 1993, 1997, and Pippen the top playmaker in 1992, 1996, 1998.
If you want me to say that Jordan was the top playmaker when combining each season of each 3-peat, fine. He was. Now I want you to acknowledge that Pippen was the top playmaker for 3 of those individal seasons. I'll be waiting.
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[COLOR="Navy"]Who assisted on the highest proportion of Bulls' field goals during the 1st three-peat?[/COLOR] Originally Posted by GrapeApe
[COLOR="DarkRed"]Jordan.[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"]Who assisted on the highest proportion of Bulls' field goals during the 2nd three-peat?[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkRed"]Jordan.[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"]Who assisted on the highest proportion of Bulls' field goals for all 6 championship runs combined?[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkRed"]Jordan.[/COLOR]
Jordan was the biggest playmaker during both 3-peats because he assisted on the highest percentage of field goals - the data above is clear..
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