Wouldn't Kobe have gotten KILLED for this?

[BigMacAttack]

Kobe took 27 shots per game in the 09 finals to score 32.4ppg

Lebron needed another 8 shots per game to score 3 extra points..



oh and in that same series, Kobe averaged 7.4 assist per game, while the next leading assist man on his team averaged 2.2..

[Hittin_Shots]

i said this a long time ago


if kobe took 25+ shots a game and only hit 38%, 27% outside of 5 feet... it wouldnt matter if he scored 50ppg. he'd be crucified


lebron on the other hand gets half the votes for fmvp and the ESPY for best champion?


cause he won 2 games?


espn needs to quit sucking this mans c*ck

Well it's difficult for them to suck Kobe's with your head in the way

[tmacattack33]

Let's say Pau and Lamar got hurt before the 2010 Finals and Phil said:

"We have no offense except Kobe, so **** it.. Let's turn these Finals into an experiment - we'll just clearout for Kobe everytime and see how much he can score.

We'll put all 4 teammates behind the 3-point line on the weakside, which no one has ever done before as an ongoing strategy - this will give him THE most secluded clearouts in history".

And let's say the other team obliged - over and over and over again, they allow Kobe the most secluded clearouts in history, WITHOUT double-teaming.

Now what would happen if Kobe averaged 35 ppg on 35 shot attempts and 39.8%?

35 ppg on 39.8% FG is way better than Kobe's average in the Finals.

Not to mention the assists and rebounds.

So, back answer your question...if Kobe had probably what be the best or second best Finals of his career, he would be heralded.

[sdot_thadon]

Well it's difficult for them to suck Kobe's with your head in the way

Damn.

[Fire Colangelo]

Kobe's assist averages aren't much less than Lebron's considering how much more Lebron dominates the ball (more than starting PG's).

Kobe would average MORE assists than Lebron if he dominated the ball that much.. Lebron's 6.5 apg in the playoffs is average for a point guard.

But Kobe wants to WIN... So he would never dominate the ball that much - he knows he needs to be elite in ALL aspects of scoring - that way he can play in whatever fashion allows teammates to play to their strengths and maximize their capacity, which maximizes the TEAM'S capacity.

Also, being elite in all scoring areas gave Kobe the capacity to overcome a wide range of opponent strategies, such as the Spurs, Kings, and Celtics... (Kobe would've won EASILY in 2011)

Otoh, Lebron would not be elite if he didn't play PG... Unlike Kobe's elite ability in ALL areas, Lebron's one-dimensional scoring capacity makes him exploitable and unable to find chemistry with teammates like Kobe could... One can only imagine how Lebron would've cratered Pau's stats the same way he did Love and Bosh.
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Well, this is where you would have to watch the game instead of just looking at box scores. But hey let me beat you at your own game:

LeBron regular season career averages: 27/7/7 50% FG
Kobe regular season career averages: 25/5/5 45% FG

LeBron playoff career averages: 28/9/7 47% FG
Kobe playoff career averages: 26/5/5 45%

According to stats, LeBron is a better scorer, more efficient, better rebounder, and a better playmaker than Kobe is in both the regular season and the playoffs.

It's simple really... Jordan is a stats monster so you can get by using stats to justify Jordan > LeBron.... But using stats as a metric to say Kobe > LeBron is not a good idea. For years, Kobe fans have been using the "eye test" to prop Kobe, there is a reason for that.

[knicksman]

bran is considered GOAT by espn statnerds yet constantly disrespected by elite coaches in the league. Fat ass diaw will never be assigned to kobe.

[SouBeachTalents]

Well, this is where you would have to watch the game instead of just looking at box scores. But hey let me beat you at your own game:

LeBron regular season career averages: 27/7/7 50% FG
Kobe regular season career averages: 25/5/5 45% FG

LeBron playoff career averages: 28/9/7 47% FG
Kobe playoff career averages: 26/5/5 45%

According to stats, LeBron is a better scorer, more efficient, better rebounder, and a better playmaker than Kobe is in both the regular season and the playoffs.

It's simple really... Jordan is a stats monster so you can get by using stats to justify Jordan > LeBron.... But using stats as a metric to say Kobe > LeBron is not a good idea. For years, Kobe fans have been using the "eye test" to prop Kobe, there is a reason for that.

Add Finals to that

LeBron: 27/9/7 46%
Kobe: 25/6/5 42%

[tpols]

Well, this is where you would have to watch the game instead of just looking at box scores. But hey let me beat you at your own game:

LeBron regular season career averages: 27/7/7 50% FG
Kobe regular season career averages: 25/5/5 45% FG

LeBron playoff career averages: 28/9/7 47% FG
Kobe playoff career averages: 26/5/5 45%

According to stats, LeBron is a better scorer, more efficient, better rebounder, and a better playmaker than Kobe is in both the regular season and the playoffs.

It's simple really... Jordan is a stats monster so you can get by using stats to justify Jordan > LeBron.... But using stats as a metric to say Kobe > LeBron is not a good idea. For years, Kobe fans have been using the "eye test" to prop Kobe, there is a reason for that.

why would you criticize someone for using boxscores when you yourself just made the laziest argument possible citing career averages ? A 5 year old can detail what you just posted. 3ball, in the post you quoted, did not even cite a single box score stat.. he simply gave explanations and logic in word form.

3ball, for all his bias, actually articulated and applied reason for his opinion.. and you did nothing to refute it.

[knicksman]

Add Finals to that

LeBron: 27/9/7 46%
Kobe: 25/6/5 42%

add rings to that

2/6
5/7

[G0ATbe]

LeBalds godlike athleticism masked his inefficiency early in his career( not in the finals though). Now that he's declined to peak Kobe's athletic ability he's shown he's far more inefficient than Kobe ever was.

[3ball]

Kobe's assist averages aren't much less than Lebron's considering how much more Lebron dominates the ball (more than starting PG's).

Kobe would average MORE assists than Lebron if he dominated the ball that much.. Lebron's 6.5 apg in the playoffs is average for a point guard.

But Kobe wants to WIN... So he would never dominate the ball that much - he knows he needs to be elite in ALL aspects of scoring - if he was only elite when dominating the ball, team chemistry and strategy would suffer, and ultimately the team's ceiling.

Otoh, Lebron wouldn't be elite if he didn't play PG... Unlike Kobe's elite ability in ALL areas, Lebron's one-dimensional style makes him exploitable and unable to find chemistry with teammates like Kobe did... One can only imagine how Lebron would've cratered Pau's stats the same way he did Love and Bosh - and that would've been a tragedy.

[color="red"]FireColangelo[/color] - don't quote my posts if you aren't going to read them - you said the post above used stats to say Kobe > Lebron... That couldn't be further from the truth - the post above QUALITATIVELY explains why Kobe > Lebron.

I would never use stats to say Kobe > Lebron... Obviously, that doesn't work.

But I know Kobe is better because his game facilitates superior chemistry and team strategy, so his teams are have a higher ceiling - period - that's why Lebron is 2/6.

Jordan is a stats monster so you can get by using stats to justify Jordan > LeBron....

There isn't one aspect of Lebron's career that matches MJ, so I don't need stats to justify MJ over Lebron either.

I can use the eye test to see that MJ is better in every aspect of the game (except maybe def rebounds).

I can also look at his superior accolades, worship testimony from every great player to ever play, and knowledge of his intangibles and clutch.
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[SouBeachTalents]

add rings to that

Nothing the Knicks would know anything about

[LAZERUSS]

I doubt Kobe would have done any worse than MJ did in the first round of the '87 playoffs (and in Jordan's highest scoring season), and against a fading 59-23 Celtics team. 35.7 ppg on a .417 FG% in a sweeping series loss, which included a 9-30 clinching game three performance (and with Oakley hanging a 20-15 series to back him up.)

[Akrazotile]

Nothing the Knicks would know anything about

[LAZERUSS]

Can you imagine the '94 Bulls with Kobe?

As it was they went 55-27 without MJ, and had Grant and Pippen not collectively missed 22 games, they would easily have won 60+.

Same with Lebron. Put him on that team, and that was an easy ring.