Finals winning percentage

[fourkicks44]

That would still mean that 5/10 won more in the PO's than 5/5. 5 Finals wins and 5 CF wins >>>>>> 5 Finals wins.

Yes, i understand that but you're still not getting:

Championships > regular season or playoff wins.

[aj1987]

Yes, i understand that but you're still not getting:

Championships > regular season or playoff wins.

They both have the SAME number of championships!

Only difference is that 5/10 has MORE wins in the PO's than 5/5. Getting further in the PO's is ALWAYS better than not.

[ballinhun8]

Plowking ask when did finals win percentage become so important and the first 10 responses, "kobetards" lmao.



Some people prefer there guys play the best when the absolute most is at stake. Hence why people prefer a high Finals win percentage. Admittedly I think MJ was what set the bar. I mean I don't believe in any professional sport there is/was a guy who was the undisputed best player of his team/league have an unblemished total record. I mean Montana has it but, it's arguable Rice was the best player on the team for his last two titles.

[LBJFTW]

MJ as the man went 6/6. Every time he had a team good enough to even make it to the finals, he ensured victory 100% of the time. Clearly won more than he lost because he never lost. The GOAT. The standard by which all else is measured against. Had MJ lost in the finals 9 times he would not have displayed perfection on the biggest stage. Anyone who can't understand that a display of perfection is greater than a display of 9 finals losses is clueless.

Kobe as a 1A/1B went to the finals 7 times and lost only twice. Every time he had a team good enough to even make it to the finals, he won far more than he lost. What makes his 7 finals appearances even more impressive than Lebron's is that he played in a more difficult conference. He took the shots that Lebron was never willing to take in order to do what was necessary to win. Because of this he has a lower fg%, but is a better WINNER than Lebron, period. He understood winning. He did it the right way. This isn't even up for debate. 20 years on the same team. The fact that he won WITHOUT Shaq renders any discussion regarding his rings won with Shaq as moot points, period.

Lebron as the man went to the finals 7 times. After these finals are over, he will have failed 5 times. That's all there really is too it. A 3-peat failure. That is just horrible anyway to you try to slice it, context or no context. He lost to better teams because he DIDN'T DO ENOUGH. You guys think 25 points is doing enough in the finals. It's not. Go look at what MJ did to ensure perfection in finals.

The context regarding LBJ relative to GOAT MJ or the better finals winner Kobe is that if you are the 1A/1B option on your team and you are fortunate enough that year to have enough team chemistry to make it all the way to the finals AND on top of that can lead your team to a finals victory MULTIPLE times, then you are in GOAT discussion. No one gives a damn about Horry or Hondo or Russel winning rings when they were not the clear cut 1A/1B option on their team, just like no one gives a damn about some guy during GOAT level discussion who made it to the finals 7 times and could only lead his team to a victory just 2 of those times because a majority of the time, he is not a winner. Using such context to support a viewpoint is weak as hell. Bottom line is that LeBron fooled everyone including myself in thinking that he is something that he is not. That is somehow GOAT tier? He is not. He has been exposed, made all the wrong decisions, and crumbles under pressure. Does this look like a GOAT tier player to anyone? Really?



If you want even more proof, just watch what happens in game 6 when he's covered by someone that doesn't come off the bench.

This whole conversation is ridiculous and that is why bran stans will forever be the most clueless when it comes to understanding how bran really compares to guys like MJ and Kobe. Lebron wasn't even the best player on his team last night. If you haven't "gotten it" by now... all this time passed seeing this guy in his 7th appearance in the finals playing on the most expensive team in the league, you sadly never will. But keep believing the narrative that he is the 3rd best player all time when he can't even lead his team to more than 2 championships.

[fourkicks44]

They both have the SAME number of championships!

Only difference is that 5/10 has MORE wins in the PO's than 5/5. Getting further in the PO's is ALWAYS better than not.

But this is why it is misleading.

Think about this: Say a player is 5/5 and made the playoffs 20 times in their 20 year career reaching the conference finals everytime and pushing each series to seven. The other player is 5/10 in his 15 year career and every Finals they lose they are swept in.

[tmacattack33]

How important is this stat? When did this stat become so important?

Is it better to go say 3/3, then say 3/6?

4/6 better than 4/12?

Is it justified to punish the guy who makes the finals more times?

Obviously it is better to make the Finals than go to round 1, 2, 3, or 0 (missing the playoffs).

It's not even a debate.

And any 2nd grade with any type of concept of numbers could tell you this.

[LBJFTW]

Obviously it is better to make the Finals than go to round 1, 2, 3, or 0 (missing the playoffs).

It's not even a debate.

And any 2nd grade with any type of concept of numbers could tell you this.

Yes, it's better to make the finals than to lose in the post season but that is largely inflated by how good the TEAM is around you. This is what people don't get. People try to use the whole "number of trips to the finals" to prop up lebron and it's not working. At least not against anyone who understands basketball.

If you made it past 3 teams in the post season all the way to the finals, it's because you were on a team talented enough to get to the finals in the first damn place. It's what you do when given that opportunity to be in the finals that matters most.

Anyone that thinks a guy who has only lead his team to 2 championships is top 3 all time regardless of how many times he's been on a good enough team to help him get to the finals in the first place, really has no clue as to what defines a champion.

[aj1987]

But this is why it is misleading.

Think about this: Say a player is 5/5 and made the playoffs 20 times in their 20 year career reaching the conference finals everytime and pushing each series to seven. The other player is 5/10 in his 15 year career and every Finals they lose they are swept in.

The still means that 5/10 player was able to win the CF's and get to the Finals, and whenever he had a good team, he won. 5/10 >>>>>>>>> 5/5.

In what retarded world is not making the Finals better than making the Finals and losing? ISH....

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If you actually believe that crock of shit you just posted, you know absolutely NOTHING about basketball.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Yeah who cares about winning??

Such an obscure thing to care about. Great thread!!

[LBJFTW]

The still means that 5/10 player was able to win the CF's and get to the Finals, and whenever he had a good team, he won. 5/10 >>>>>>>>> 5/5.

In what retarded world is not making the Finals better than making the Finals and losing? ISH....


If you actually believe that crock of shit you just posted, you know absolutely NOTHING about basketball.

Do you not understand basic math? 5/5 = 100% perfection. What's next, you telling us that shooting 5/10 is better than 5/5 because more shots were taken?

The levels bran fans will stoop to be proven wrong. Ridiculous.

Failing in the finals 5 times is now better than not failing at all with 5 rings on your hand. What a bunch of horseshit.

[aj1987]

How do Kobe turds not understand that 4/12 player has won MORE than a 4/6 player?

Do you not understand basic math? 5/5 = 100% perfection
What's next, you telling us that shooting 5/10 is better than 5/5 because more shots were taken?

Good god, you're retarded. 5/5 player has won 5 CF's and 5 Finals. 5/10 player has won 5 Finals and 10 CF's

Winning 5 Finals and 10 CF's >>>>>> 5 Finals and 5 CF's, you drooling retard.

[chazzy]

The only relevance of the stat is to counteract the overhyping of the accomplishment of winning the east. Otherwise it obviously doesn't matter much, although it's funny to watch stans get really upset by it

[ArbitraryWater]

Bruh, 5-47 is the one stat Kobe fans can hang on lol... theres dozens of those for Kobe, way too many lol

[LBJFTW]

How do Kobe turds not understand that 4/12 player has won MORE than a 4/6 player?


Good god, you're retarded. 5/5 player has won 5 CF's and 5 Finals. 5/10 player has won 5 Finals and 10 CF's

Winning 5 Finals and 10 CF's >>>>>> 5 Finals and 5 CF's, you drooling retard.

That only applies if it's the same exact TEAM vs TEAM.

We are talking individual impact relative to finals win loss ratios and failing 5 times in the finals on a team that got you there when it's your job as the best player to close out the games is far worse than being on a team that was only good enough to get you to the finals 5 times but each time you were fortunate enough to be on such a team, you were perfect in closing out the games.

Bran stans really are a clueless bunch. Learn to understand perfection and learn that 100% > 50%

If one guy as the alpha makes it to the finals 10 times and the other guy as the alpha only makes it 5, it's because one of the guys wasn't on a team that was as good as what the other guy had! All that matters is what you do on the biggest stage, especially when one conference is so much weaker than the other one.

[aj1987]

That only applies if it's the same exact TEAM vs TEAM.

We are talking individual impact relative to finals win loss ratios and failing 5 times in the finals on a team that got you there when it's your job as the best player to close out the games is far worse than being on a team that was only good enough to get you to the finals 5 times but each time you were fortunate enough to be on such a team, you were perfect in closing out the games.

Bran stans really are a clueless bunch. Learn to understand perfection and learn that 100% > 50%

If one guy as the alpha makes it to the finals 10 times and the other guy as the alpha only makes it 5, it's because one of the guys wasn't on a team that was as good as what the other guy had! All that matters is what you do on the biggest stage, especially when one conference is so much weaker than the other one.

What the [COLOR="Black"]f[/COLOR]uck are you even talking about? Are you on drugs?